Pitch for leader ?

V3 we need a cap on migration numbers and a cap on continued insults on this forum.

I think she appears to be making a pitch for the leadership to get back to the original question.
Or is she playing a bluff and trying to put Sunak off who his leadership contenders really are? Hoping for a good position if the Conservatives won at the next general election.

Curiously, Miriam Cates has been going on about keeping the birth rate up, for the sake of the economy. She thinks more women should be staying at home and that childcare is too easy. She also thinks that women should be having their children younger.

I find this puzzling. She's saying that we need at least to maintain the population numbers, if not increase them. Presumably what she really means is that we need to maintain the number of white faces and not bolster the numbers with brown faces.

ronib

Casdon no one person is responsible. However
1. Ageing population
2. Declining birth rates
3. Inadequate training for employment
4. Problems with an antiquated social class system
5. Controversially older people in their 70s are filling the skills gap so that can be rethought.
6. The changing role of women in society? Hot potato subject but can consider.
Etc etc

And there was me thinking it was because there are so many people on the sick.

So, following on from your suggested reasons, from one social scientist to another, what do you think the solutions are which curb migration and address the reasons so that we are self sufficient?

Currently birth rate in Uk is 1.56
For all of UK not separated into brown/white . As everyone knows anyway the migrant population has more children than the indigenous population.

paddyann54

I'm confused ...I always believed Westminster HAD control over immigration....they just didn't use it .
The boat migrants are entirely due to the incompetence of the WM government ,Give these people a LEGAL way to apply for asylum and process their applications quickly ,that way no one will be risking their lives and the lives of their children in small boats and paying a fortune to do it .
There are a lot of people crossing who have experience of work that the uk needs .Please let them use their experience ,that would be a win win solution

Sshhh. Stop talking common sense.

ronib

Currently birth rate in Uk is 1.56
For all of UK not separated into brown/white . As everyone knows anyway the migrant population has more children than the indigenous population.

What do you mean by indigenous?

I hope nobody on here has an Irish background. Apparently, you're not indigenous and breed like rabbits.

Talking about "caps" on posts.

Could we have a cap on posts that talk rubbish or spout unsubstantiated nonsense??

Any chance of that?

volver3

Talking about "caps" on posts.

Could we have a cap on posts that talk rubbish or spout unsubstantiated nonsense??

Any chance of that?

If you like,
Limit your own to 2 per thread? 😂

ronib you write common sense, but common sense is not so common😃

Casdon I am tempted to say that self sufficiency isn’t really the end goal- we benefit from being a diverse society or at least, we could.
Let me think about it.

ronib

Currently birth rate in Uk is 1.56
For all of UK not separated into brown/white . As everyone knows anyway the migrant population has more children than the indigenous population.

What is your source for this figure, please. Live (or indeed any) births are not, to my knowledge, collected on a UK wide basis.

Your figure (assuming it’s rounded) is in line with the ONS figure for live births for England and Wales.

Sorry, not rounded. Ignore that. But my question about source stands.

Being a diverse society is good, most European countries are these days.Taking in too many immigrants, legal or illegal isn’t good at all.Numbers do matter very much when it comes to housing, education and healthcare.

Siope I googled.. of course. Okay there’s some variation in figures but generally speaking the population is not replicating itself.
Growstuff indigenous meaning native.

ronib

Siope I googled.. of course. Okay there’s some variation in figures but generally speaking the population is not replicating itself.
Growstuff indigenous meaning native.

Errmm... but what do you mean by native?

I doubt if anybody has ancestors who evolved solely in the UK. What about all those pesky Jutes and Angles?

but generally speaking the population is not replicating itself.

So don't we need immigrants to make up the shortfall and make us a viable state??

What am I missing?

ronib

Casdon I am tempted to say that self sufficiency isn’t really the end goal- we benefit from being a diverse society or at least, we could.
Let me think about it.

We benefit from hybrid vigour, for a start.

If we need people to maintain the country, does it matter what colour skin they have?

That’s just silly growstuff everyone knows what’s meant by native.

volver3

^but generally speaking the population is not replicating itself.^

So don't we need immigrants to make up the shortfall and make us a viable state??

What am I missing?

Blinkers.

🤣

Oreo

That’s just silly growstuff everyone knows what’s meant by native.

No, it's not silly. Define what you mean.

It depends how old they are, what type of work they are able to and how much they contribute to the economy, surely. It’s not a simple numbers game.

Is Farage a native?

Is Braverman?

The population of Orkney is about 25% Norwegian. Most of us in England have a significant amount of north European DNA. Then there are various Celtic groups, who came originally from somewhere else. The Welsh have the nearest DNA to the earliest settlers after the Ice Age. So who's native/indigenous?

ronib

Siope I googled.. of course. Okay there’s some variation in figures but generally speaking the population is not replicating itself.
Growstuff indigenous meaning native.

But why did you say UK? There are no collated figures for the UK, as far as I know. Happy to be shown otherwise.

And, yes, it matters. Because immigration is a route to balancing the population, and acknowledging different needs in different parts of the country should be an important part of the immigration debate.