Puzzled about 'kidnapping' lambs

Chardy

Sorry Callistemon that's a myth. If everyone were vegan, only a quarter of current farmland would be needed says The Economist
www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2022/01/28/if-everyone-were-vegan-only-a-quarter-of-current-farmland-would-be-needed
(I think the myth comes from rainforest bring cleared for soya production, omitting that 85% of soya production is for animal feed)

It is a very common myth. The soya being produced for animals is a huge problem. This shows the data on meat production (quite a long way down) ourworldindata.org/meat-production

For instance it takes 25kg of feed to produce 1kg of beef protein; 6.4kg to produce 1kg of pork.

You would therefore need far LESS land if more people ate only plant foods.

Chardy

Sorry Callistemon that's a myth. If everyone were vegan, only a quarter of current farmland would be needed says The Economist
www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2022/01/28/if-everyone-were-vegan-only-a-quarter-of-current-farmland-would-be-needed
(I think the myth comes from rainforest bring cleared for soya production, omitting that 85% of soya production is for animal feed)

We take The Economist. I felt that article was fair and balanced.

Katie59 at least one of those you quote as being perfect has had a welfare breakdown and lost its supermarket contract.

I'm sorry, I was doing research for my brother - his last week living so far from home in an odd country and thus his last time in his Church speaking. I perhaps didn't look as well as I could have.

Which Link do you have issue with?

I still contend all one has to do is find a decent butcher who buys certified organic - and I gather check current certification.

I should have said just beef instead of beef protein.

Well said Hetty!

Well said Choughdancer. If people want to eat meat that’s up to them. But lambs and their Mums suffer horribly on their journey to the table, as do all animals. So why people are discussing how bad the theft was, I’ve no idea. Eat meat, fine, but don’t try and say the animals don’t suffer because they do. As does the environment.

Gillycats Eat meat, fine, but don’t try and say the animals don’t suffer because they do. As does the environment.

Environmental damage from meat production is frightful. I suspect animal farming is not sustainable much longer. My opinion.

Hmmm ... it's taken two million years to get to where we are now. I can't see all that being reversed any time soon.

Maybe all countries should cap the number of children are allowed to have.

The powder used by Just Stop Oil at Chelsea was biodegradeable corn starch. Not paint.I’m not defending their actions just rectifying an earlier post. Would such groups get any publicity if they just stood around handing out leaflets? (answer: no)

vegansrock

The powder used by Just Stop Oil at Chelsea was biodegradeable corn starch. Not paint.I’m not defending their actions just rectifying an earlier post. Would such groups get any publicity if they just stood around handing out leaflets? (answer: no)

Every single news report I've read - from various reputable sites - say that it was paint, possibly powdered paint. There are many ways to protest about something without causing damage.

vegansrock

The powder used by Just Stop Oil at Chelsea was biodegradeable corn starch. Not paint.I’m not defending their actions just rectifying an earlier post. Would such groups get any publicity if they just stood around handing out leaflets? (answer: no)

Thank you for reporting that.

Thought I'd read cornstarch, couldn't locate the article.

Norah

vegansrock

The powder used by Just Stop Oil at Chelsea was biodegradeable corn starch. Not paint.I’m not defending their actions just rectifying an earlier post. Would such groups get any publicity if they just stood around handing out leaflets? (answer: no)

Thank you for reporting that.

Thought I'd read cornstarch, couldn't locate the article.

It was reported on the BBC news that it was paint.

The garden designer said that the garden is ruined.

Apparently recollections may vary.

Blondiescot

vegansrock

The powder used by Just Stop Oil at Chelsea was biodegradeable corn starch. Not paint.I’m not defending their actions just rectifying an earlier post. Would such groups get any publicity if they just stood around handing out leaflets? (answer: no)

Every single news report I've read - from various reputable sites - say that it was paint, possibly powdered paint. There are many ways to protest about something without causing damage.

Yes, widely reported that it was paint, Blondiescot.

I was at Chelsea yesterday and there was hardly a sign of the orange colouring. Just a very slight tint of it in the dust. So I’d be surprised if it was paint, there would be colouring on the stone work.

I agree Norah. Meat production at the current rate isn’t sustainable. We are heading for disaster if it’s not tackled now.

I'd be surprised if it wasn't corn starch - carrot/turmeric colourings.

Norah

Katie59 at least one of those you quote as being perfect has had a welfare breakdown and lost its supermarket contract.

I'm sorry, I was doing research for my brother - his last week living so far from home in an odd country and thus his last time in his Church speaking. I perhaps didn't look as well as I could have.

Which Link do you have issue with?

I still contend all one has to do is find a decent butcher who buys certified organic - and I gather check current certification.

Norah

Coombe Farm

Norah

Gillycats Eat meat, fine, but don’t try and say the animals don’t suffer because they do. As does the environment.

Environmental damage from meat production is frightful. I suspect animal farming is not sustainable much longer. My opinion.

You are talking rubbish Norah animals transported in the UK suffer no more than commuters on the trains there are strict rules that hauler have to follow.
Water is provided during the journeys, food and rest if it happens to be a long one, the journey does not harm them at all.

Thank you.

I found this from 2018

www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/coombe-farm-statement-animal-equality-1945507

I shall check if we buy in that area again. We've only shopped there once, on holiday, needing decent food for our daughters, GC and pets.

Katie59

Norah

Gillycats Eat meat, fine, but don’t try and say the animals don’t suffer because they do. As does the environment.

Environmental damage from meat production is frightful. I suspect animal farming is not sustainable much longer. My opinion.

You are talking rubbish Norah animals transported in the UK suffer no more than commuters on the trains there are strict rules that hauler have to follow.
Water is provided during the journeys, food and rest if it happens to be a long one, the journey does not harm them at all.

Rubbish to you. My opinion is different to yours.

I believe animal treatment to be horrible in many instances.

Katie59 if you did eliminate livestock there would be no organic manure to support organic crops, so what is going to make crops grow magic?

Yes, The magic of crop rotation, plowing under, and clover.

Sustainable farming exists, always has.

Katie59, how can you possibly believe such rubbish. Did you read my link (probably not) and do you think 14 hours travel is fine? Do you think all drivers follow the regulations - pathetic as they are?

People who kid themselves that higher welfare, free range, grass fed etc. anything means cruelty free need to wake up. Animal farming is barbaric and cruel - just more or less so.

I'm hoping (and praying) the current efforts to develop lab grown meat are successfully scaled up to factory production. As a vegan, I still have absolutely no objection to it, as no animal has to die - or suffer more than the equivalent of a blood test. It will be so efficient, growing muscle meat only, that lower prices should ensure it's success.

Norah

Katie59 if you did eliminate livestock there would be no organic manure to support organic crops, so what is going to make crops grow magic?

Yes, The magic of crop rotation, plowing under, and clover.

Sustainable farming exists, always has.

No it doesn’t if you did that you could grow half a crop every 4 yrs.

There is no hope for anyone who believes that you are so bound up in your own blindness reality does not exist.

Katie59

Norah

Katie59 if you did eliminate livestock there would be no organic manure to support organic crops, so what is going to make crops grow magic?

Yes, The magic of crop rotation, plowing under, and clover.

Sustainable farming exists, always has.

No it doesn’t if you did that you could grow half a crop every 4 yrs.

There is no hope for anyone who believes that you are so bound up in your own blindness reality does not exist.

I suspect you don't live in a county with large acreages of sustainable farming, crop rotation, and successful yields.

I'm not at all blind to rotating each 1/4 parcel of the land to a different crop every year (always something growing). In fact I know crop rotation works to erosion, insect and weed pests, soil health.

Thank you for asking.