Cancel Culture or Free Speech

Galaxy

It's not even as if it's original, men telling lesbians they cant be women.

No, they just need a 'good seeing too' and they will see the error of their ways. Plus ca change, eh?

But hetty’s right in one way. Because ill-intentioned males would attempt to get into places where women believed they were safe, e.g. refuges, nowhere was actually safe.
The difference is that now, they think they have the right to be there, simply by lying that they are AHF.
I can’t remember which of the posters acknowledges that there are female safe spaces, but it’s females job to ensure males are not in there ( by implication, she doesn’t recognise the need for males to police their own actions), but that’s another tedious repetition that occurs.
It doesn’t change the fact that you can’t change sex and that saying so is not transphobic.

It makes me really quite sad. All that time when they were waving their pride flags they were thinking but yeah you are really men though.
Violet I am paraphrasing, someone better than me will post the link.
He said we accept KS as a lesbian so why cant we accept transwomen as women, after all their with both their sensibilities are at odds with their biological reality.

His tweet didnt have an extra 'their' in it.

I don't understand

He says "We accept KS is a lesbian"

That is acceptance right?

I remember back in the day my friends coming out publicly, the backlash from homophobes was exactly that, that being lesbian, gay or bisexual like me was at odds with biological reality. That we were designed to procreate. That we were unnaceptable

But we fought them and are now much more accepted

Trans people just want the same acceptance?

As I've said before, several times, nobody ever checks whether people going in are female.
Toilets? Who needs to check. The males who want to cause trouble make it quite obvious. Likewise changing rooms.
Ask yourself which group’s actions caused the concern about males in female spaces.
If you answer truthfully, you’ve explained the need for female safe spaces.

Sorry, that was to Hetty58.

It seems to me that this tweet has been misunderstood

That all the insults and character assassination are a bit of an unfair response

I've never really understood how insults and character assassination is a workable or moral response in the trans debate. It adds nothing to the discussion and takes up space where valid arguments should be if there were any... Like a smokescreen

Are you saying you’re bisexual VS? I don’t recall you saying that before. Something that may explain your TWAW views?

Wel it doesn't necessarily need to come up often GSM, I'm happily married to a man but yes I have mentioned it and yes this is a known fact about me

How would it explain my views?

VioletSky

Wel it doesn't necessarily need to come up often GSM, I'm happily married to a man but yes I have mentioned it and yes this is a known fact about me

How would it explain my views?

Exactly. And bigotry to assume it does.

Explains a lot though.

The real scandal, though, is around children and the Tavistock Clinic.

Some children have undoubtably been damaged by them.

People need to held to account now.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12145073/JENNI-MURRAY-True-scandal-trans-children-laid-bare-last.html

What does it explain about me then gagajo. I have been clear that I spent my twenties having flings with women, and yet I am gender critical.

VioletSky

It seems to me that this tweet has been misunderstood

That all the insults and character assassination are a bit of an unfair response

I've never really understood how insults and character assassination is a workable or moral response in the trans debate. It adds nothing to the discussion and takes up space where valid arguments should be if there were any... Like a smokescreen

So why do you apply your smokescreen comments, name calling, labelling etc. to females who want to protect females from males who threaten them?

Galaxy

What does it explain about me then gagajo. I have been clear that I spent my twenties having flings with women, and yet I am gender critical.

Did you mean this to go to GSM?

To both actually.
How was the bragg tweet misunderstood?

Well I went to his twitter galaxy and it turns out my interpretation reading what you said about his tweet was correct

I don't know how people got it so wrong. Maybe emotions adding a filter

I am laughing at him telling JKR off for having a view because she is straight and not trans.

I found it hard that people who were straight wanted to judge me

Not just because they had never walked in my shoes or because they thought I was a defective human with the wrong biological impulses... But because they seemed to think that made me a bad person as well

I was serving a customers as usual, glanced across and there was a very tall - 6’2”+ badly dressed lady next in line, greeted her with a cheery “Wow youre tall” I was stunned when a deep bass voice replied “yes, it’s so difficult to fit in”.

I don’t understand why someone so obviously male wants to dress as a woman in everyday life, when the people they meet are taken aback as I was. It’s the one customer I remember that day as I would remember a celebrity

Oh dear, well things to do

Have a good day all

So Billy bragg is as far as I know not a lesbian or trans.

The tweet wasn't misunderstood, Galaxy, other than by people who can't understand basic English. It's very straightforward.

As for the 'identity' boxes that may or may not give clues to attitudes, I CBA with it. I don't discuss my private life on here, but could tick a few boxes myself. So what? We are all who we are, and should be taken as people find us - at face value. On the one hand, people complain if judgements are made because of their 'identity', but on the other they expect allowances to be made - it's all rather self-indulgent, I think.

Someone I know quite well (and she is in her 40s, so old enough to know better) identifies as bisexual (although long married to a man), sometimes pansexual, neurodivergent, working class and differently-abled - pronouns she/her/they/ them.

She uses all of these 'identities' to excuse various behaviours and to absolve herself from responsibility for them. It goes without saying that there is nothing wrong with being any of those things, but in why bang on about them? It's very Jack Monroe .

Why would someone's supposed pansexuality matter to anyone but her (or her husband)? Particularly as she doesn't act on it. It's basically telling all and sundry her sexual fantasies. And what difference does her parents' occupations make to her ability to do her (very middle class) job? Etc.

Of course people need to know if someone has a disability that can be accommodated, and if the reason for their poor spelling is Dyslexia when someone is being nasty about it - that sort of thing makes sense where it is relevant. But the rest of it is usually just to suggest that the box-ticker's view of something is somehow more relevant than that of someone who just gets on with life and doesn't expect everyone else to care about how they 'identify', and give them extra credibility 'points'? Newsflash - it doesn't.

It's so obvious isn't it M0nica and I just don't understand why some can't see it .

That was in response to M0nica's post @ 9.28.