Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

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I am firmly in your camp too Fluerpepper

I personally hope that we ask if the EU will have us back in my lifetime! But it raises so many feelings, and disagreements, it will be a hard journey to get there.

The country has changed beyond recognition and at our age, with our medical history, relying on the NHS is NOT a viable option
I and others would dispute that.
However if you would rather go on paying private health insurance, you could do it in the U.K. as easily as in mainland Europe
Bottom line
The world has changed out of all recognition, but Britain ?
Not necessarily more than any other First World country.
It never was all Miss Marple and Enid Blyton with lashings of ginger beer!

Quizzer

Some of us, nearly half the population, always thought it was a mistake and voted against it.
Regret having to say “told do so”.

I would be surprised to find many, or perhaps even any, who regretted their initial vote to Leave.

I personally do not know anyone like that at all. And I know quite a lot of people[relative to say the average person].

The whole subject hasnt been discussed for many a year around here, not in any detail. Cant even remember in real life, unless amongst close people, when it was last discussed with others at all.
Not exacatly a topic of discussion at the hairdressers, or in the street, or at a meeting of some sort.

There is a post on here which speaks of anger.

Are the people who voted Remain, angry?

As British in France, Brexit has caused us consistent financial loss because of the impact of the decline of the pound on our pensions (we have the spreadsheets) and lots of minor irritations. What still makes me most angry is the impact on the choices available to our grandchildren in terms of their right to study and work in other European countries.
I would not, however, bother to start threads about it on Gransnet. It is quite clear from polling that younger generations of British are turning against Brexit and seeing it as a mistake, which was fuelled by vested interests and vainglorious and incompetent politicians.
The views of our generation for or against Brexit will cease to have any relevance.

Totally agree with you Fleurpepper and support your bringing up of the subject. It has obviously harmed us, it was obviously always GOING to harm us and it was sold through lies by those who stood to profit by it. Why, oh why should reasonable comments, arguably based on real experience, be silenced by 'Oh, not all that again!' Yes, I am enjoying the summer, my friends and grandchildren as I am sure all of you are, but that does not mean I have to keep quiet about an outrage. "Oh, not that again' is one of those comments designed to silence debate and immediately put the speaker in the wrong - we should not stand for it. I am glad that no-one says to me 'Oh, not that again' when I point out that my autistic son is autistic, or any other comment that is about something not right, and persistent. My autistic son needs consideration, and Brexit needs debate, recognition, and fixing. Lets face it and move forwards with it, not pretending it hasn't happened.

I did not vote for Brexit as I could not discern any advantage in it and was concerned that our government would attempt to do away with many European enactments which benefit ordinary people - as indeed it is trying to do. Trading with SE Asia or Australiainstead of our nearest neighbours just seems dotty. Dotty actually describes the current batch of Tory politicians and the sooner they are out of office the better Though living in England for much of my life, I remain loyal to my Scots nationality. Scotland hasbeen forced into Brexit against its peoples' will.

Steady on ladies. This is bordering on bullying. We don’t have to see eye to eye on everything but we shouldn’t be so hypercritical

Are the people who voted Remain, angry?

The OP maybe?

I'm very pleased we had Brexit and left.
We aren't pouring gallons of milk and butter away now that we couldn't sell or even give away to the poor
We aren't paying benefits for six kids in an Eastern European country while their dad works here on minimum wage
We aren't leaving fields empty or moving sheep from field to field to pay farmers not to grow crops
We can sell our own produce without limits
We can fish our own waters when we like
We aren't exploiting European workers fruit picking in terrible conditions on v low pay
We can have our own laws without them being overturned by the EU courts in favour of the criminals.
And that's just a few of the benefits of leaving

The OP uses the same method every time i.e. posting something that is bound to cause trouble. (She has been doing this for at least 7 years) and then proclaiming all innocence and that people are picking on her - looking for sympathy “for poor old me”

I see that you’ve succeeded once again Fleurpepper - quite a few sympathy votes from unsuspecting members.
Sorry, but it doesn’t wash with me or many others who remember your “various names”.

I am a Remain voter and if I thought that FP was genuinely upset and dismayed about the general impact of brexit for the countryand its people, I'd be more supportive of her concerns. As it is, her most recent post seems to focus only on how her personal pension has been affected. Not very altruistic or public spirited after all.

Absolutely right Hetty58.

sazz1

I'm very pleased we had Brexit and left.
We aren't pouring gallons of milk and butter away now that we couldn't sell or even give away to the poor
We aren't paying benefits for six kids in an Eastern European country while their dad works here on minimum wage
We aren't leaving fields empty or moving sheep from field to field to pay farmers not to grow crops
We can sell our own produce without limits
We can fish our own waters when we like
We aren't exploiting European workers fruit picking in terrible conditions on v low pay
We can have our own laws without them being overturned by the EU courts in favour of the criminals.
And that's just a few of the benefits of leaving

Are you 100% sure that every point you make is correct? I’ll Google them myself but wondered if anyone knew off hand….

In fairness, I think Fleurpepper did mention the lack of opportunities for her grandchildren in the future, so maybe she does look beyond her personal pension.
I do not receive a pension yet, so I have no idea how things on that front will affect me. That is where this thread gets complicated because we might all be at different stages in our lives, we might all have different means and probably all have different outlooks.

Given that Fleurpepper and her husband devoted their working lives to serving the community in this country I think she has every right to be aggrieved that their pension has been decimated through no fault of their own.

Romola

I'm with you, Fleurpepper.
It may not happen in my lifetime but we shall once again join what is more or less the only benign bloc on the planet, to which we naturally belong.

I’m with you too Fleurpepper, was against it from the start.
I am a small business semi retired Book Seller and the rules after Brexit have all but killed my business and that of many of my friends . The trade results in most businesses are similar - large or small.
Brexit was founded on LIES. And they are showing…

sazz1

I'm very pleased we had Brexit and left.
We aren't pouring gallons of milk and butter away now that we couldn't sell or even give away to the poor
We aren't paying benefits for six kids in an Eastern European country while their dad works here on minimum wage
We aren't leaving fields empty or moving sheep from field to field to pay farmers not to grow crops
We can sell our own produce without limits
We can fish our own waters when we like
We aren't exploiting European workers fruit picking in terrible conditions on v low pay
We can have our own laws without them being overturned by the EU courts in favour of the criminals.
And that's just a few of the benefits of leaving

I for one can dispute a load of that rubbish…
You cannot sell without limits …trade with Europe used to flourish …it is currently tied up in so much red tape it’s impossible to trade properly. Small businesses are particularly affected.
We NEED the “low-paid” European workers to thrive. Nurses and Doctors who used to help the NHS thrive are now no-where to be found…why? Brexit red tape, etc
Fisheries are faltering…Brexit.
I am not feeling well or I would post a more comprehensive answer…but google each of your ‘points’ and research more thoroughly?

Just interested sue, but how have the rules changed that make it more difficult for you to trade? And the same question about your friends? What has changed that prevents you from trading? Especially trading in books?

I voted remain by the way, but interested to know.

suelld
You support paying people low wages?

sazz1

I'm very pleased we had Brexit and left.
We aren't pouring gallons of milk and butter away now that we couldn't sell or even give away to the poor
We aren't paying benefits for six kids in an Eastern European country while their dad works here on minimum wage
We aren't leaving fields empty or moving sheep from field to field to pay farmers not to grow crops
We can sell our own produce without limits
We can fish our own waters when we like
We aren't exploiting European workers fruit picking in terrible conditions on v low pay
We can have our own laws without them being overturned by the EU courts in favour of the criminals.
And that's just a few of the benefits of leaving

👏👏👏 well said sazz1

maddyone

suelld
You support paying people low wages?

Did vote leave explain how we were going to replace those EU crop pickers and prevent crops being wasted in fields?

We NEED the “low-paid” European workers to thrive

Anyone in this country in paid employment should be paid the correct wage for the job they do, whatever their nationality.