Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

Allsorts

Growstuff, in answer to your questions , they never stop moaning and what iffing instead of getting on with things, piling all life’s woes on Brexit. Deal with what is and not what could have been, I’m glad we’re out. I can’t see the benefits of being in it. As for holiday homes abroad, if I had one it could be a problem, then I would sell it if it cost too much, many more just haven’t the money to own one in the first place. It’s hardly life threatening.

I would think, unless you own one in an EU country, holiday homes come quite a long way down most people's list. Many things seem far more important, one being that we are no longer part of the largest trading area in the world.

The interesting thing is that if anyone else had started a Brexit thread it would have
a) been posted on mostly by remain voters and ignored by leave voters
b) run a few days then lapsed

It's noticeable that only threads started by Fp bring out the barrage of spite. It's been like this for about 6 years now...

What's the common denominator?

DaisyAnneReturns

Allsorts

Growstuff, in answer to your questions , they never stop moaning and what iffing instead of getting on with things, piling all life’s woes on Brexit. Deal with what is and not what could have been, I’m glad we’re out. I can’t see the benefits of being in it. As for holiday homes abroad, if I had one it could be a problem, then I would sell it if it cost too much, many more just haven’t the money to own one in the first place. It’s hardly life threatening.

I would think, unless you own one in an EU country, holiday homes come quite a long way down most people's list. Many things seem far more important, one being that we are no longer part of the largest trading area in the world.

It's those 'important things' that the leavers either gloss over or are not interested in. They are indifferent to the significant problems, such as loss of livelihood, their vote has caused other people, to the enabling of a corrupt and incompetent charlatan to achieve the highest political office and to the loss of national wealth.

Their indifference and their inability to list any benefits makes me question the soundness of their initial judgement.

Aveline

What's the common denominator?

I know what you are getting at, but other posters have started multiple Brexit threads without being vilified. The usual reaction is to ignore. Why is that very sensible option being sidelined?

MaizieD

The interesting thing is that if anyone else had started a Brexit thread it would have
a) been posted on mostly by remain voters and ignored by leave voters
b) run a few days then lapsed

It's noticeable that only threads started by Fp bring out the barrage of spite. It's been like this for about 6 years now...

Interesting. Until people started mentioning her name I hadnt even noticed who the OP was. What you suggest seems like a form of stalking and I would like to continue believing people in general are better than that. I'm sure FP pulled on her big girl knickers as she posted. The one thing you can be sure about on the politics thread is that, should you put a view forward there will always be:

People with a with a well thought out, but diametrically opposite view.
People who feel they should voice an opinion on anything and every thing even if they know nothing about it.
People who you have disagreed with in the past who welcome the chance to snipe.

That's always been how some people behave. We have now brought those people into our home via the Internet.

Freya5

My German family did make comments initially. Not any more. They're in a worse position than us, with far more costly food than ours.
Cannot believe people are still twittering on about this. The whole of Eurozone now in recession,
Eurozone sinks into recession as cost of living crisis takes toll
GDP shrank 0.1% in first quarter of 2023 and final three months of 2022 after revisions to earlier estimates

Business live – latest updates

Interesting to have the viewpoint of those living in another European country
There is a danger in thinking Woe is us and that we are on a downward spiral while the rest of the EU basks in economic sunshine. This is not Schadenfreude (rejoicing at the suffering of others) but helps to put things in perspective.
Yes things are worse in too many respects but nobody can say what they might have been otherwise (20/20 hindsight)
Just because events have turned out as they have since the referendum does not necessarily mean they happened because of it. post hoc ergo propter hoc
Before anybody shoots me down in flames with chapter and verse - I know of the many downsides and retrograde steps but you can’t necessarily blame all our economic ills on leaving the EU, especially if the Eurozone itself is in recession.
That’s too simplistic and why threads like this will continue to go round in circles instead of looking forwards.
And finally, perhaps Freya ‘s German family might like to join Fleurpeppers next international gathering of German, Swiss, Italian, US and Japanese etc friends and put the other point of view?

MaizieD

The interesting thing is that if anyone else had started a Brexit thread it would have
a) been posted on mostly by remain voters and ignored by leave voters
b) run a few days then lapsed

It's noticeable that only threads started by Fp bring out the barrage of spite. It's been like this for about 6 years now...

Indeed and for a lot longer thatn 6 years. I did change my name, on advice, and with the approval of GN.

Yes, very personal attacks, vile, with the oft made comment that somehow I have no right to comment on the demise of the UK due to Brexit, Johnson and co- because I do not live in the UK currently. Many others do not either, and are never attacked as I am, or my comments distorted.

I never said the UK is currently my home, as reported above, but that I have been officially British for over 50 years.

Many people in this day and age have two or more places they call home, and know intimately and are very strongly connected to.

This thread was posted in the wake of Johnson's demise, and the clear indication that the nation, including many Cons, have come to the conclusion Brexit is a disaster, and cannot be made to work- when it has not even been fully implemented.

And a GE, and a possible snap election to come if Sunak is pushed. Brenda is in for a shock.

Yes, there was two sensible ways to respond. Ignore- fair enough. Or respond to the question.

But some chose to go on the attack, again in a vile and very personal way, and then to accuse me of 'causing trouble'.

Go figure!

Freya5
I’ve always believed the eu will fall apart. This will come about through the collapse of the euro. This has been spoken about for many years ( since its inception)

www.reuters.com/plus/could-the-euro-collapse#

You do not live in the Uk currently? My eyes went out on sticks.

Is it lovely where you live?

Genuine question. I am assuming you are living in the EU.
Are there lovely EU countries? And in which case, which ones please?

MerylStreep

Freya5
I’ve always believed the eu will fall apart. This will come about through the collapse of the euro. This has been spoken about for many years ( since its inception)

www.reuters.com/plus/could-the-euro-collapse#

the only value which has fallen through the floor is Sterling.

Yes, it is lovely where I am currently, fancy that, and I have just returned from Italy- it was very lovely too.

When we moved here 1 £ was worth x 2.50 - and it is now just about over x 1 - a loss of about 60% (and 60% of our pensionable income too).

We did not move for it to be lovely, but to look after my very elderly parents, now both gone. Why not return to the UK then, some will ask. But I do think you know the answer! The country has changed beyond recognition and at our age, with our medical history, relying on the NHS is NOT a viable option.

Fleurpepper I question your words “the demise of the UK”
We are in no worse a state than most if not all other European countries.

It’s very lovely in so many parts of the UK too, places too numerous to mention.All this “changed beyond recognition” stuff is rubbish.The NHS has needed changes for donkeys years to make it work properly for all, but still works for serious illness and ops needed.
It seems your main concern is that you’ve not got the money you used to have, well that’s the case all through Europe.

MerylStreep

Freya5
I’ve always believed the eu will fall apart. This will come about through the collapse of the euro. This has been spoken about for many years ( since its inception)

www.reuters.com/plus/could-the-euro-collapse#

I don't think the EU will "fall apart" but I have always thought it would change. That's my centrist view of course. I don't think extremes happen that often unless pushed by extremist politicians and a compliant electorate. I am hoping that Belusconi's death, Trump's possible incarceration and the disappearance of Johnston from the scene show a turn in the tide of populism.

As the largest trading block I think it's really unlikely that that side of things would fall apart - I certainly hope not. If it did I think we would be the greatest losers. One of our greatest pluses is that we are an island. One of our greatest difficulties is that we are an island.

the demise of the UK

You see FP, it's ignorant, wrong, rude and inflammatory statements like that that make people p***ed off. The UK, like so many other countries in the EU and around the world, is struggling. Why don't you go on a French, Italian or Spanish chat site and tell them how shit their countries are, whilst not actually living in them and see what reactions you get. You're incredibly rude and tactless.

Some of us, nearly half the population, always thought it was a mistake and voted against it.
Regret having to say “told do so”.

** “told you so”

I voted to stay, every successful economy has trade deals with their neighbours, why exclude 27 countries, why give our competitors an advantage plus the increase in costs it was a lose lose situation

Why don't the people who are fed up with it just scroll on by and not comment? It was a disaster in my opinion and has had a detrimental effect on the sketching holidays I run in Europe, from next year I'll just be doing British ones and one in India, I also know many artists and crafts people who find it no longer worthwhile to sell in Europe. I won't go into any of my other arguments as it will change nobody's mind either way

I am in agreement with fleurpepper but maybe I don't see Gransnet often enough to know is she has been overposting on this subject. I live in what used to be David Cameron's consituency and will never forgive him for holding such a sloppy, ill-thought-out referendum, or subsequent PMs not allowing a confirmatory vote once the nature of the Brexit deal was known. It will take years to undo the damage done and I'm sure the UK will have to rejoin the EU but don't know If I shall live to see it. (78).

As for the Gransnetter who thought it was good to leave because she wanted peace, it's the EU that has helped to ensure peace in Europe since 1945!

But one of the worse things about Brexit is that it has exposed the deep divisions in this country and made xenophobia explicit. There is much more to say but I have work to do and know that I won't convince anyone who voted leave (see above).

I wasn't on GN 6 years ago, or even 4 years ago Fleurpepper, so I know nothing about your nationality, your current place of abode, or your leaving GN. My comments were not specifically directed at you, so I am surprised if that is how you read them.

Moreover, I joined in the thread, MaizieD because I initially thought, from reading the title that it was about the exchange rate, pounds and euros, in which some of us might have a vested interest. I had no idea the discussion was supposed to be about Boris.

Anyway, the good positive news is that I have just visited the French vet who said that he didn't need to see my dog before we leave France. Just pop the pills in the dog's mouth and drop the documents into the surgery sometime for him to sign and stamp. I love the way the French make the rules easy. Entente cordiale.

If cost of living and rising food prices is all down to Brexit how come that EU countries are in the same position we are? And UK may have corruption in govt circles but we are not exactly on our own in that respect

Well Fleurpepper I’m very firmly in your camp ! In my opinion Brexit has been a disaster in so many ways and we’ve lost so much. Still it is going to be a lovely week weather wise so I hope you’ll get outside for some well deserved sunshine and relaxation x

No doubt that Brexit has been mishandled and very badly at that! The opportunities have been largely wasted. However I am still not convinced that handing over our sovereignty in so many areas was ever a good idea and in fact the repercussions still live on. For all its economic success, Germany dragged her feet over aid to Ukraine and the relinquishing of Russian energy. Macron in France was a Putin appeaser until he realised the potential cost to France. I am proud that the UK has been unequivocal in its support for Ukraine. Would this have been possible if we had still been in the EU? When so many organisations are taking over our lives and imposing policies we did not vote for, I am thankful there is one less! At least we only have to sort out the corruption in our own political landscape and not the hot (and very expensive) mess in Brussels.