Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

Fleurpepper

Is there anyone here on GN still prepared to stand and say that it is not- and give evidence to the effect?

As someone who lives in Republic of Ireland (still in EU) I can assure you the grass is certainly not greener. We dance to their tune or else

A losf of over 60% of income, due to an event no-one could possibly anticipate, is not really easy to anticipate. I know many who had to pack up and return due to loss of income due to falling Sterling.

I’m genuinely puzzled here, OP. There were 1.43 euros to the pound in November 2015, now there are 1.17.

A significant fall, certainly, but nowhere near 60%? Perhaps I’m missing something?

watching the demise of the UK you just can't help yourself with the over dramatic, hysterical hyperbole can you? The UK is NOT in its demise any more than Germany, France, Italy, Spain or Greece is. Like them, we have problems. Some caused by world events (cheers Mr Putin). Some caused by the aftermath of the pandemic. And some caused post Brexit. It's been pointed out to you by several posters that they've experienced difficulties in France and Germany but, for your own personal reasons, you've decided that the UK is unique in its problems and is already dead and buried. What the UK doesn't need is any more moaning, miserable, negative people who only want to be in the country when they're getting something out of it that benefits them personally and who sit and whinge from afar when things aren't going their way.

How do posters feel about the fact that Germany is looking at the idea of sending some migrants to Africa.

www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/germany-planning-to-transfer-asylum-procedures-in-africa/

Not talking about the Euro! But this thread is not about me.

Yes, the issues facing other countries are also significant, but none of them have BREXIT added to make it all significantly worse.

CheersMeDears, the vast majority who are very concerned about the negative effects of Brexit are of course in the UK, and many of them are Conservatives too.

Fleur, I don't know a soul who is bothered about Brexit. It's done. What is this vast majority you talk of? Ridiculous. Brexit is not on most people's minds. We're getting on with life. Why don't you take up a note productive hobby? We're not going back into the EU. Suck it up .

A 6 hour wait in A & E would be welcomed in Republic of Ireland! Try at least 10 hours. No Brexit here 😉

Not talking about the Euro! But this thread is not about me

Ah, but isn’t it?
Another opportunity to do down the country you profess to be a proud citizen of?
( the demise of the UK )
Another opportunity to claim bullying from those who dismiss your preoccupations?
Another account of how everybody is laughing at the UK?
I think it is very much about you - the “vast majority” you claim to represent are for the most part not whingeing, but getting on with their lives and if things are not necessarily what they might be, recognising that the world is a very different place from what it was pre-pandemic, pre-Ukraine, pre-Putin and not blaming everything on one event 7 years ago.

Louella12

Fleur, I don't know a soul who is bothered about Brexit. It's done. What is this vast majority you talk of? Ridiculous. Brexit is not on most people's minds. We're getting on with life. Why don't you take up a note productive hobby? We're not going back into the EU. Suck it up .

We're not going back into the EU. Suck it up .

How rude!

In fact, the decision whether or not "we" ever go back in might be taken decades down the line by following generations - when many of us will no longer be around to have a say.

And, as with most political decisions, it will largely be based on the economic climate at that time - if the then government of the day consider it to be in our interests (or theirs) then there is a distinct possibility the country will rejoin.

But that’s a very loooooong way in the future Dickens even if it ever happens.We have to live in the here and now, and y’know most of the population are happy to actually do that.

maddyone

The EU had nothing to do with the tightening up of safety requirements after Herald of Free Enterprise capsized.
The International Maritime Organisation introduced new regulations, one of which was that the ferry remain in port until the closure of the watertight doors is verified with the Captain on the bridge.
The biggest change was in fact the introduction of The International Safety Code.
I wish people wouldn't attribute factors to the EU that have nothing to do with the EU.

I did not attribute the change in the laws to the EU. I merely said that the Tories are trying to relax them.

Oreo, I'm not convinced that most people are happy to live in the here and now at the moment. I can't remember a time when the nation was as divided as it is now.

Foxygloves

^Not talking about the Euro! But this thread is not about me^

Ah, but isn’t it?
Another opportunity to do down the country you profess to be a proud citizen of?
( the demise of the UK )
Another opportunity to claim bullying from those who dismiss your preoccupations?
Another account of how everybody is laughing at the UK?
I think it is very much about you - the “vast majority” you claim to represent are for the most part not whingeing, but getting on with their lives and if things are not necessarily what they might be, recognising that the world is a very different place from what it was pre-pandemic, pre-Ukraine, pre-Putin and not blaming everything on one event 7 years ago.

But everything is linked. One of the reasons Putin thought it was ok to invade Ukraine was because he thought that Europe wasn’t united. Russian oligarchs had bought up a lot of this country; property annd football clubs. Disgraced liar of an ex PM , brexiteer in chief Johnson even got one of his Russian mates into the House of Lords. I’ve still never found out what the other arch brexiteer , Dominic Cummings did when he spent several years in Russia. I can’t remember where I heard it ( even though it was only recently) but someone said that conspiracy theories are usually based on some sort of fact.

Callistemon, the UK could have had the sort of Brexit that would have had a Swiss/Norway style agreement- but Johnson chose to go for the hardest of Brexit, and get rid of Free movement. Remember all the promises made during the campaign that Brexit would not endanger our place in the Single Market and the Customs Union

The vote was a stark choice - in or out.
The result was close, however, the Swiss vote was decisive that's why I wondered if it's still debated there or not.

Yes, he's gone but he won't go quietly, I think.

Divided over what?
This stuff is only on SM anymore.Everybody I know never even mentions it and gets on happily with life especially after the pandemic, which made everyone realise what’s really important, and it’s not about being in or out of the EU! Seeing friends and family and trying to enjoy any spare time they have together is what they want to do.

but Johnson chose to go for the hardest of Brexit, and get rid of Free movement
We were never part of the Schengen area.

Another account of how everybody is laughing at the UK?

I don't think they are as they all have their own troubles in their home countries, some worse. Stones and glass houses comes to mind.

In fact, people who are on holiday are usually trying to enjoy themselves sightseeing, relaxing for a while away from any worries back home.
It would be most unusual to have a discussion about something that happened in another country 7 years ago!!
Especially if you were visiting from the USA or Japan.

For about 7 days following the referendum I can remember it being the sole topic of conversation. Since then, I cannot remember one single conversation I've had with colleagues, friends, family or neighbours about Brexit. Not one. I can only imagine why it completely obsesses the OP, to the exclusion of any other topic.

In fact, people who are on holiday are usually trying to enjoy themselves sightseeing, relaxing for a while away from any worries back home.

Or they're all desperately trying to avoid getting trapped in a conversation with OP about Brexit.

Oreo

But that’s a very loooooong way in the future Dickens even if it ever happens.We have to live in the here and now, and y’know most of the population are happy to actually do that.

Yes, I'm aware it's decades away (if at all). My point is that some who voted Leave appear to believe it's now set in stone.

I'm not one of those who are agitating to rejoin immediately - we are nowhere near that point at which it might become feasible, it's quite unrealistic at this present time.

Of course we have to live in the moment - and much as I think leaving was a mistake, and say so when the subject comes up - I do actually live a life that doesn't revolve around the matter.

Whether or not "most" of the population are in fact happy to do that is rather debatable at the moment. It's more a situation where there is little alternative. We debate this in my local and there are most definitely some disgruntled Leave voters - three of them among our crowd of seven - who feel that they've been conned.

MayBee70

I’ve still never found out what the other arch brexiteer , Dominic Cummings did when he spent several years in Russia. I can’t remember where I heard it ( even though it was only recently) but someone said that conspiracy theories are usually based on some sort of fact.

I think DC was working for a company that were attempting to set up some business venture or other in Russia, but I don't think it happened...

... ah, I've just looked it up on 'wiki'...

After graduating, Cummings moved to Russia and lived there until 1997.[12] He worked for a group attempting to set up an airline connecting Samara in southern Russia to Vienna in Austria which George Parker of the Financial Times said was "spectacularly unsuccessful".[13] He subsequently returned to the UK.

Thanks. Maybe his chaos theory approach to things didn’t lend itself well to business ventures of that nature.

Dickens

Louella12

Fleur, I don't know a soul who is bothered about Brexit. It's done. What is this vast majority you talk of? Ridiculous. Brexit is not on most people's minds. We're getting on with life. Why don't you take up a note productive hobby? We're not going back into the EU. Suck it up .

We're not going back into the EU. Suck it up .

How rude!

In fact, the decision whether or not "we" ever go back in might be taken decades down the line by following generations - when many of us will no longer be around to have a say.

And, as with most political decisions, it will largely be based on the economic climate at that time - if the then government of the day consider it to be in our interests (or theirs) then there is a distinct possibility the country will rejoin.

I would love to rejoin!

maddyone

Just interested sue, but how have the rules changed that make it more difficult for you to trade? And the same question about your friends? What has changed that prevents you from trading? Especially trading in books?

I voted remain by the way, but interested to know.

In reply to some I do NOT support anything below the minimum wage and would love us all to be paid fairly - but it isn’t going to happen! I think many others have put it more succinctly than I did when referencing that we need the EEs or from wherever, to be prepared to do jobs the Brits WON’T.
MADDYONE Re the Book Trade - I am speaking from the point of view of a one person second-hand and Antiquarian Bookseller pov.
Pre Brexit an order from Europe would arrive and we would pack it and post it - no regs . Now we have to Register to post abroad, fill in long forms and vastly increased postage - Ok more annoying but not world shaking, Books are zero registered so no issues with customs THEN. NOW you come up with Customs charges which either have to be paid by you or the customer the other end - often more than the book is worth! Customer complaints cos they didn’t know about charges!. France and Germany (first-others to follow) have now brought in Packaging rules re no plastic and in order to sell there you have to REgister IN the Individual countries Separately, and pay them a fairly substantial annual fee to register with one or two companies that will allow you to post without hassle. Costs all round have risen - but when haven’t they - but after 43+ years in the Trade it’s all too much for this 77 year old! Etc.
I still send the odd parcel Internationally, the US is still OK - but a flourishing trade with the EU is no more! Similarly it seems the reverse is true - the orders from the EU almost stopped once Brexit went through.
And before anyone tells me about eBay’s Global Posting service I have almost never ever used ebay to sell through . I use a database that until just recently didn’t allow for uploading to ebay. I’d have had to do that individually plus costs. For the youngsters that are more active I’m sure they have the energy to game the system - I no longer have!

EU isnt united. Never will be.
Why should it? It is multiple distinct countries. With multiple peoples. Even more so now than perhaps ever before.