Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

You take the tough with the smooth when you go to live abroad.

Absolutely. That was the point I was trying to make.

AVELINE, I suggest you re-read the question. 'Has the penny dropped. BREXIT is a disaster'. Quickest way to shut this thread down, as appeared to be the intention of quite a few of you at the start of the comments, is not by pretending it's all over blah blah blah, but by providing proof that BREXIT has not been a disaster and the most convincing way to do this is by sharing with us what you have found to be a genuine benefit for yourself, or your family and so on. So, over to you. Back to the actual relevance of the post. Can you demonstrate to the Rejoiners that BREXIT has not been a disaster.

Getting rid of regulations concerning clean beaches and waterways - all in the name of a benefit to make our own rules ( even though we had a say in EU rules and had a veto) is the worse “benefit” I can think of. One of the reasons who British shellfish industry has taken a nose dive - they can’t be sold unprocessed in the EU if they come from polluted waters. Ok for Brits though .

maddyone

^…they suffer the vagaries of the exchange rate.^

Surely a person takes the possibilities exchange rate ‘vagaries’ into account before deciding to move abroad?

Yes. I can't comment on pensions, as I don't have one, but we ran two businesses in France and were paid in sterling.
From 2003-2007 the rate hovered between €1.40 – €1.50. During the global financial crisis of 2007/8, I remember it nosedived to €1.02. Nothing to do with Brexit. It was tough for a while, but then the Pound clawed its way back up again. You take the tough with the smooth when you go and live abroad.

Aveline

Maremia I suggest you read the whole thread. You have completely missed the point.

Yes

They have got worse.

And?

The EU had nothing to do with the tightening up of safety requirements after Herald of Free Enterprise capsized.
The International Maritime Organisation introduced new regulations, one of which was that the ferry remain in port until the closure of the watertight doors is verified with the Captain on the bridge.
The biggest change was in fact the introduction of The International Safety Code.
I wish people wouldn't attribute factors to the EU that have nothing to do with the EU.

maddyone

^…they suffer the vagaries of the exchange rate.^

Surely a person takes the possibilities exchange rate ‘vagaries’ into account before deciding to move abroad?

They have got worse.

For me, the saddest things are the changes to environmental laws and the regular stories of sewage being dumped.

I watched a news item about Weymouth and the large amount of seaweed being blown onto the shoreline. Apparently some people thought it smelt. The head of the Town Council said that it was just a natural seaweed smell but I was left wondering whether sewage had been caught up in it before it was blown in from the sea. I remember as a child reaching out for what I thought was a cork floating in the sea at Wyke Regis but I was wrong!

Aveline

Maremia I suggest you read the whole thread. You have completely missed the point.

I’ve read the whole thread and still haven’t read of any Brexit benefits that have been verified…what I have read is a lot of people that seem to think that someone only has a right to say anything about this country if they live here 100% of the time. And that any criticism of brexit is a criticism of the UK itself.

…they suffer the vagaries of the exchange rate.

Surely a person takes the possibilities exchange rate ‘vagaries’ into account before deciding to move abroad?

Health and Safety rules - tightened up after the Herald of Free Enterprise (188 lives lost) and the Marchioness collision on the Thames (51 lives lost).

The Tories want to relax the rules (they may have already started) and the number of deaths at UK docks are increasing.

Maremia I suggest you read the whole thread. You have completely missed the point.

What a crackin' post FLEURPEPPER. Twelve pages! So much for the 'oh we are so over it brigade', who I guess voted for Brexit. Well they certainly didn't manage to shut down the thread with their, 'that is so last year' tactic. I haven't read all the way through, so apologies most sincere if this has been posted already, but the best way to shut down this thread would be for each and everyone of them, (we know who you are now), to tell us what BREXIT has done for them, or their family, or their community, or the factories in their neighbourhood, or their businesses, or their young touring musicians, or their Fishermen Friends, or their car vendors, or their clever young relatives who want to study abroad. Just one tangible benefit. One from each of you?

And, I don’t remember a great dialogue pre referendum about the poor EU workers coming here and being poorly paid. I thought, if it was mentioned,it was more ‘EU workers coming here, taking our jobs….’? I will admit that there was an argument that EU workers were willing to work for less than UK ones therefore employers were happy to employ them and it gave them an excuse to keep down wages for UK workers, too. Am I right in thinking that was the reason for some unions being anti EU? Then again, it wasn’t because of EU rules that workers were underpaid because the government could have introduced a minimum wage because, contrary to public belief, being in the EU didn’t stop the UK government from making it’s own rules.

Oreo

It’s very lovely in so many parts of the UK too, places too numerous to mention.All this “changed beyond recognition” stuff is rubbish.The NHS has needed changes for donkeys years to make it work properly for all, but still works for serious illness and ops needed.
It seems your main concern is that you’ve not got the money you used to have, well that’s the case all through Europe.

All those who are EU citizens are paid in euros. The state pensions of those of us who live in the EU are the same rate as the rest of you (subject to our contribution records of course) but they suffer the vagaries of the exchange rate.

JudyBloom

The disaster is that Brexit has not been delivered !! We are still tied to hundreds of EU laws. If Brexit had been implemented as it should have been, this country would be so much better off. We have been betrayed by the remainers. Brexit can't be blamed when it hasn't been done properly. We need our own sovereignty and democratic values not tyrrany which is the way it's all going now.

Probably a good job that we’re still tied into many EU laws given that so many are there to protect us and the environment. And didn’t we have a vote on all of those laws anyway? It isn’t the remainders that have prevented any of these things: how could we possibly have done that given that we lost the referendum and the UK has now ‘taken back control’. Maybe, just maybe, many things haven’t been implemented because they were empty promises that couldn’t have been implemented anyway.

maddyone

Just interested sue, but how have the rules changed that make it more difficult for you to trade? And the same question about your friends? What has changed that prevents you from trading? Especially trading in books?

I voted remain by the way, but interested to know.

Export regulations are a nightmare for small traders - whatever they are trading in.

Us not me

Judy could you give me s a small selection of which rules you are referring to please.

If I had the patience I would go through this and pick out the examples of provocative language. Rabid remainders caught my eye. Lately, probably to do with the anonymity of social media, debates are too binary and often involve insulting the other person's point of view. People should try to write as if they were speaking face to face with each other. Less entertaining perhaps, but more productive.

The disaster is that Brexit has not been delivered !! We are still tied to hundreds of EU laws. If Brexit had been implemented as it should have been, this country would be so much better off. We have been betrayed by the remainers. Brexit can't be blamed when it hasn't been done properly. We need our own sovereignty and democratic values not tyrrany which is the way it's all going now.

CheersMeDears

^Or do the Swiss still argue endlessly about this?^

Erm.... yes Callistemom, apparently they do.

Oh, X post, mine took ages to type 😀

Dinahmo

Fleurpepper

MerylStreep

Freya5
I’ve always believed the eu will fall apart. This will come about through the collapse of the euro. This has been spoken about for many years ( since its inception)

www.reuters.com/plus/could-the-euro-collapse#

the only value which has fallen through the floor is Sterling.

Yes, it is lovely where I am currently, fancy that, and I have just returned from Italy- it was very lovely too.

When we moved here 1 £ was worth x 2.50 - and it is now just about over x 1 - a loss of about 60% (and 60% of our pensionable income too).

We did not move for it to be lovely, but to look after my very elderly parents, now both gone. Why not return to the UK then, some will ask. But I do think you know the answer! The country has changed beyond recognition and at our age, with our medical history, relying on the NHS is NOT a viable option.

My guess is the States. I can remember when £1 bought US$2.4 for many years. (no need to reply)

Question for Fleurpepper

In a 1992 referendum Swiss voters rejected membership of the European Economic Area, which had been seen as a stepping stone on the way to membership of the European Union (EU).[4] Polls consistently showed that the Swiss did not want to join the European Union, which was confirmed in a 2001 referendum where over 75% voted against membership

Are the Swiss still arguing amongst themselves about the close result of the very close referendum they held in 1992 and a later more decisive referendum rejecting EU membership?

Is it a constant bone of contention in Switzerland or did they get up, dust themselves down and get on with making the best of the situation?
Which is what, I believe, we should be doing and I hope Sunak will do now Johnson has left politics 🤞

Or do the Swiss still argue endlessly about this?

Erm.... yes Callistemom, apparently they do.