Has the penny dropped (as fast as the Pound)- Brexit is a disaster

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fancythat

A Bible verse I happened to read this morning

A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing personal opinion.

Which bit of the bible is that in? It doesn’t sound to be written nearly 2,000 years ago or longer.

Proverbs
Much of the book of Proverbs sounds like it was written yesterday.

Proverbs, Chapter 18, verse 2

There is only one person with a limited view.🇨🇭

😁

I pretty much avoid Question Time like the plague but will definitely be watching this Thursdays Brexit only QT from Clayton.

Oh well, since we are now quoting the 'Good Book', thought I would consult the 'Good Google'. Lots of answers to my questions on there, including that BREXIT is costing us £100 billion a year. Not sure if that's the British or the USA way of counting billions, but it is still a big loss, every year.

Fleurpepper May I ask, are you referring to the UK or Switzerland when you said this?

"The comment about Norfolk would apply to other rural regions- including the one where I live now. A mix of locals who have always lived there and have therefore a limited view (fair enough) and wealthy incomers, many retired, in larger houses, who are very Conservative (and a few exceptions in between). They are the areas where Brexit is still favoured, unlike the rest of the country.

I'm not sure about Norfolk, but I'm just sailing home ftom Brittany where there are rural farmers inland and very wealthy bourgeois types around the coastline.
Interestingly, according to poll figures, 46% of Bretons are pessimistic about the future of the EU, though that doesn't necessarily mean they would vote for Frexit.

Fleurpepper
Maggiemaybe
And……..they’re off!

oh they are- what fun! I am very sure that if any list would make any sense, we would be able to discuss sensibly. But there are none, and those few given just don't make any sense- so they will be exposed as being such.

Excuse me?!

After many demands from you for a list of Brexit benefits, I posted a link to one showing at least (at a quick count) 80 benefits HM Government claim to have wrought from Brexit. Plus plans for the future.

Here it is again, just in case you missed it.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1054643/benefits-of-brexit.pdf

As I said And no doubt much will be up for debate or scorn. But there are some actual benefits in there.

So I was expecting that, as you “requested” it so many times, you’d have the courtesy at least to have a look through the document, and maybe discuss the merits or otherwise of the points made?

What about it?

toscalily

Fleurpepper May I ask, are you referring to the UK or Switzerland when you said this?

"The comment about Norfolk would apply to other rural regions- including the one where I live now. A mix of locals who have always lived there and have therefore a limited view (fair enough) and wealthy incomers, many retired, in larger houses, who are very Conservative (and a few exceptions in between). They are the areas where Brexit is still favoured, unlike the rest of the country.

I am referring to rural areas all over the world, including where I live currently.

Today we had 3 major issues to vote on. And again, as per usual, the really rural areas (Cantons) voted on all 3 issues very differently to the rest of the country. So my comment was not 'just' about Norfolk (which I know very well, and have done for 45 years).

Joseann Has said that in a recent poll 46% of Bretons are pessimistic about the future of the EU, would you class them also as having a "limited view" for even considering leaving the EU?

How are you coping with results from cantons that you don't agree with?

toscalily

Joseann Has said that in a recent poll 46% of Bretons are pessimistic about the future of the EU, would you class them also as having a "limited view" for even considering leaving the EU?

I think you have to live in France to understand French performative miserabilism.
We won't have vaccines against Covid until we do.
We won't vote for Macron until we do.
Everything is wrong with France but we wouldn't live anywhere else because it would be so much worse.
I would take that poll with a hefty pinch of Sel de Guérande.
😂😂😂

I visited Guérande this week. Hold on while I search for a photo on my phone to add.

Et voilà.

Yes, I know what you mean. I've lived in France from the age of 14 on and off. However, the Bretons are a pretty forthright lot.

Mamie that's so good, don't do it until you do

toscalily

Joseann Has said that in a recent poll 46% of Bretons are pessimistic about the future of the EU, would you class them also as having a "limited view" for even considering leaving the EU?

That will be music to Putins ears. Any signs of division in Europe will make it easier for him to invade surrounding countries.

Aveline

How are you coping with results from cantons that you don't agree with?

Very well, as they are in the minority, thank goodness. I wouldn't live there though.

I've scrolled through the document quite quickly and it seems very pie in the sky. Don't forget it was based upon work by a former govt minister. it would be easy, but rather time consuming to knock holes in it from beginning to end. I don't have the time. Too much other work to do. However, here's just one little example

"Trusted audit and corporate governance. Our objective is to restore public trust in the
way that the UK’s largest companies are run and scrutinised, ensure that the UK’s most
significant corporate entities are governed responsibly and keep the UK’s legal
frameworks for major businesses at the forefront of international best practice. HM
Government’s White Paper: ‘Restoring trust in audit and corporate governance’, sets out
comprehensive and ambitious plans to strengthen the UK’s audit, company reporting and
corporate governance framework. The proposals follow three independent reviews of audit
and recommendations made by the previous Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy
Select Committee in April 2019. We are considering the responses to the consultation
carefully and are developing a coherent, comprehensive and proportionate package of
reforms to audit and corporate governance."

From a govt that awards large contracts to its friends for billions of sterling.

So have I, and chose not to comment, as it is so biased and, to be frank- nonsense copied and pasted..

No point discussing any longer- the proof will be in the pudding, and the eating- and very soon. As said before, a GE will take place within a year, and very probably before. If Sunak is undermined or pushed, there is no way they can hang on till next year, and no way this tiny minority of card holding Tories could elect yet another PM, the 6th one in one term. The public would never allow that to happen at this stage.

Alan Sugar is still saying Brexit has been a disaster. As has Mark Carney and Michael Heseltine. But hey, what do they know?

In a recent sutvey only 9% of respondents thought brexit was more of a success than a failure.

news.sky.com/story/brexit-poll-suggests-just-9-of-britons-think-decision-to-leave-european-union-more-of-a-success-than-failure-12887197

9%

wow

You must be thrilled to read that. Meanwhile, life goes on fine.

A few years ago, a Leave-supporting politician relative of mine was asked whether Brexit had become a mess, or in other words, disaster. He replied along the lines of - what we are going through now is a Reformation. However, the problem is, we don’t have a Thomas Cromwell.

My belief is that throughout the Brexit process and beyond, we have never had a leader with any real guts or high intelligence to implement everything we set out to achieve. Without that person, Brexit is probably doomed. I agree with Fleurpepper that Rishi Sunak will be the next one to fall off the perch, but I don't agree that Starmer has it in him either.