Will the Tories turn up to vote tomorrow?

OH and I were absolutely glued to the debate! Some of Johnson’s defenders are very strange! At the end of the day just seven of them supported him. What happened to Rees Mogg? Hopefully Johnson now has his just desserts (strange term) and will never return to public life.

Heather Wheeler has just been given an OBE for public service . Like Nad I think she’s obsessed with Johnson. She was in tears when he left Downing Street.

I am convinced now that Johnson’s political career is over.

It is definitely time to move on and concentrate on the damage done by his years as Premier and see what can be done to mend it.

Sunak if course is more right wing than Johnson, so those less well off, the NHS, social care etc should not be hopeful.

DiamondLily

The vote to pass the judgement was overwhelming, but many Tories didn't turn up to debate or vote:

"Conservative MPs who voted against included Sir Bill Cash, Nick Fletcher, Adam Holloway, Karl McCartney, Joy Morrissey and Heather Wheeler - while 118 Tories voted in favour.

No vote was recorded for 225 MPs, because they either abstained or did not turn up to vote."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65953605

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12212027/MPs-controversial-Partygate-report-Boris-Johnson.html

I wonder if those who didn't turn up will be eager to express an opinion - on an issue they didn't deem important enough at the time that it mattered?

Abstaining is one thing, but not showing up in the House is quite another.

225 M.P.'S did not vote, for whatever reason. What a damning statement on the current state of our so-called Government. They should all be publicly named, and should hang their heads in shame. How can anyone possibly imagine that such cowards actually represent the views of those who voted for them? As for Sunak.. spineless. A General Election can't come soon enough for me.

Lovetopaint037

Thinking it’s a disgrace that all MPs should not be required to cast a vote one way or the other. Democracy is at stake here and all of them should have attended to vote unless they presented a really good reason not to. In which case it could have been cast in some manner in their absence. As for the poor showing of the cabinet surely it says just what a useless shower we have as a government. Was beginning to warm to Rishi Sunak but his weakness has changed that.

Indeed.
Parliament manages to compel MPs to turn up when it wants to, so why was it easy-oasy & do what you like this time?

Still, at least he's gone.
His honours list should be scrapped too.

Dickens

... well, it's been an interesting day.

Indeed.

Clarifications of areas where I pointed out previously I could not find information.

1. Although seven were counted as having voted "no" only six names were recorded. This is, apparently, not unusual!

2. It took a while, as few papers seem to be prepared to report on what Starmer was going to do, but I did find one report saying he planned to return for the vote. He did return for the vote. His vote is recorded in Hansard.

Views on whether his speech in Scotland was important or not will differ. I certainly don't want my planet to fry, nor do I want us to remain in fuel insecurity. So I felt being able to hear a long planned speech, about what the Labour Party would do in government, was important. Others may not care. It was also a planned and important speech for the Labour Party in relation to the next election and, therefore, for our democracy.

Meeting people from other countries is also important. However, it is very little distance to the Houses of Parliament from No 10 and Sunak could have voted had he chosen to do so.

Im going to read the list of the non voters. What a disgrace for an mp of any side not to have voted. Sunak is an all round weakling.

So what is the real reason Sunak didn’t vote? Last week he was saying “tough” over Johnson’s notorious honours list.

This week he is hiding away and not prepared to lead his party in the debate over our democracy.

So what happened between last week and this?

Whitewavemark2

So what is the real reason Sunak didn’t vote? Last week he was saying “tough” over Johnson’s notorious honours list.

This week he is hiding away and not prepared to lead his party in the debate over our democracy.

So what happened between last week and this?

Whitewavamark2 it has already been posted on this thread that the PM had meetings scheduled with the Swedish leader.

Do you hold Mr. Starmer in such low esteem? He didn’t vote either.

Are you actually saying that Sunak could not have turned up to vote if he so wished!!

I am sorry but that is nonsense.

Starmer voted FOR the report.

So Rees Mogg spoke out in Johnson’s defence but didn’t vote: Heather Wheeler voted no but didn’t have the decency to at least stand up in parliament and explain why* ( or, if she did I missed it and I think I watched pretty much all of it). As that very eloquent SNP MP said, what a parcel of rogues….
*I shall write to her and ask her what, given she was not prepared to publicly state it, her reason was for supporting the right to lie to parliament.

Whitewavemark2

Starmer voted FOR the report.

If he did, I apologise.

I thought he was elsewhere making a speech on climate change during the day and had no plans to return.

There was a political bod on the news yesterday saying that neither Mr. Sunak nor Mr. Starmer were intending to vote due to diary commitments.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

So what is the real reason Sunak didn’t vote? Last week he was saying “tough” over Johnson’s notorious honours list.

This week he is hiding away and not prepared to lead his party in the debate over our democracy.

So what happened between last week and this?

Whitewavamark2 it has already been posted on this thread that the PM had meetings scheduled with the Swedish leader.

Do you hold Mr. Starmer in such low esteem? He didn’t vote either.

Starmer did return and vote. Here’s the full list by party of the Yes and Nos, just click on the overall result for yesterday and it brings up the detail.
votes.parliament.uk/
I was pleased to see my Tory MP had the gumption to vote Aye, I’d be very upset to have an MP too weak to vote.

Sorry Whitewavemark2. the political bod I listened to got it wrong.

Casdon our MP didn’t vote, appears to have been AWOL recently, hasn’t been seen here in the constituency either 😡😡😡

GrannyGravy13

Casdon our MP didn’t vote, appears to have been AWOL recently, hasn’t been seen here in the constituency either 😡😡😡

I’d have liked to see a whip for all MPs to vote myself, because upholding democracy is so fundamental. I thought Teresa May summed up why so well in her speech.

Although seven were counted as having voted "no" only six names were recorded. This is, apparently, not unusual!

My understanding is that it is because to force a vote, an Opposition MP had to declare that they were opposed to the motion (to stop it being nodded through, and that MP is then included in the number of Nos (and I think does not actually vote)

Obviously, the opposition parties would want a vote on this because those who are abstained can easily (and correctly, imo) be targeted in future election as opposed to Parliamentary sovereignty, cowardly, anti-democracy, pro-Johnson, unprincipled, etc etc etc

I think Theresa Mays speech was the one that hit home as far as the Tories were concerned.

I await with interest the reply from Heather Wheeler for the reasoning behind her no vote. I’m ashamed to live in a constituency that has a representative in Parliament who openly supports lying to the House.

If Keir had been in the house yesterday it would have been a distraction imo. Tired as I am of politics and the thought of electioneering next year, listening to those speeches in parliament yesterday gave me renewed hope for the way this country is going. Mordant will make a strong opposition leader and government is always better for having strong opposition. Let’s hope the days of Johnson type populism are behind us. But, why oh why has this Emperors New Clothes situation taken so long?

And, according to Newsnight, some of them including Heather Wheeler and Coffey just went off the a drinks soirée after the vote….

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

Starmer voted FOR the report.

If he did, I apologise.

I thought he was elsewhere making a speech on climate change during the day and had no plans to return.

There was a political bod on the news yesterday saying that neither Mr. Sunak nor Mr. Starmer were intending to vote due to diary commitments.

I had already made this clear. One issue was that only a couple of lines in one paper told us that this is what he was going to do. Perhaps you need wider sources of information GrannyGravy.

My personal opinion is that it was better that neither leader spoke. This was about Parliment not Parties.

However, I feel they both should have voted. The motion said "That this House approves the Fifth Report from the Committee of Privileges". What is Sunak saying by not voting? Does he mean he disapproves or that he doesn't know?

I'm just beginning to see reports that Sunak did not have pre-arranged plans. At the weekend he was, apparently, down in the parliamentary business section as "Leading a debate in the House of Commons" on Monday afternoon and evening. That disappeared.

Although he was with the Swedish Prime Minister I doubt that they they wanted to spend the whole afternoon and evening together. Nor is it likely that the Swedish Prime Minister wouldn't understand the need to pop over the road and cast a vote. I think Sunak may have more to answer for then appeared in the first instance.