Missing Titanic Submarine

Whataboutery is inevitable, I suppose, as we all express our responses to this unfolding tragedy. My initial feelings were to compare the risks these men willingly took to take part in an adventure, with the grave yard that the Mediterranean Sea is becoming. I had a word with myself. Compassion for humans in danger shouldn’t be only felt for people we conclude ‘deserve ‘ our prayers and compassion and not for those we judge

Shazmo24
I poster earlier that the us navy use the Xbox 360 controller on their submarines

Absolutely agree with you NanaDana.

Bluebelle These men are human beings like us and they have families and loved ones and the basic human feelings are the same for everyone at every level: love and fear and a desire to live.

Everyone at every level is prone to do, or not do. things that they later regret. Remember it was the Thai boy's football coach that led them into danger.

It is easy to deplore, now, the decision these men made to make this trip, but many many advances in life have been made by exceptional people prepared to take, what to most of us apppear, insane risks, the pioneers of aviation, going into space, exploring, then totally unknown parts of the world. Every year hundreds, if not a thousand or so people climb Mount Everest and the casualty rate there is very high, with bodie abandoned wholesale across the mountain

The men on this trip will have looked at the risks, checked their craft and felt that the risks was low enough to risk the journey. Remember the people on board include the man who owns the company that owns and runs this vehicle. Despite the suggestions that there could have been faults in the vehicle, he felt it was safe enough to travel on himself.

This is a personal tragedy played out on an international stage.

Callistemon my last post was in direct reply to a sentence in Usernametaken's post, which I quoted, and in the context of what she wrote, the fact that the Titanic is at the bottom of the sea, is entirely irrelevant.

What advances are made by visiting, at great risk, the site of the Titanic? This was not a scientific expedition but tourism only.

Looking back at some of the statements made by OceanGate's CEO, Stockton Rush, he would seem to have a rather cavalier attitude towards Safety.

Combining that with the fact that the craft and dives are still in the "experimental" stage, it's beginning to look like one of those accidents waiting to happen.

I started the thread on the lack of interest in the migrant boat that capsized. I was shocked that such a huge loss of life wasn’t worthy of comment. However, those poor people had already lost their lives. This scenario is a race against time to save 4 men and one teenager trapped in a tiny craft, no room to stand up or stretch their legs and a finite amount of oxygen. They are 2 miles under the ocean, extremely cold and it’s pitch black. It’s the stuff of nightmares.

The more I think about it the more I hope something happened when the signal stopped and it was all over in seconds. It could have imploded, or been hit by something. The thought of them being trapped in there since Sunday morning is hard to contemplate. I doubt we’ll ever know but my thoughts are with them, just as much as my thoughts were with the drowned migrants.

Monica is right, many advances came about because of wealthy people prepared to take risks. Travel by plane train etc was risky in the initial stages, people died. There will be I am sure questions about how this expedition was run but we shouldnt want a no risk society.

I would never have the money or the arrogance of wanting to get these world records. Either submarines are experimental or maintenance is overdue. Why pay to risk your life? And your son's life in this coffin.

tickingbird

I started the thread on the lack of interest in the migrant boat that capsized. I was shocked that such a huge loss of life wasn’t worthy of comment. However, those poor people had already lost their lives. This scenario is a race against time to save 4 men and one teenager trapped in a tiny craft, no room to stand up or stretch their legs and a finite amount of oxygen. They are 2 miles under the ocean, extremely cold and it’s pitch black. It’s the stuff of nightmares.

The more I think about it the more I hope something happened when the signal stopped and it was all over in seconds. It could have imploded, or been hit by something. The thought of them being trapped in there since Sunday morning is hard to contemplate. I doubt we’ll ever know but my thoughts are with them, just as much as my thoughts were with the drowned migrants.

There has been another migrant boat incident on the way to Italy, the Moroccan Coast Guard have found one dead child and others I believe are still missing.

These desperate people were trying to get to Italy, I read it on Sky News yesterday.

GrannyGravy13

tickingbird

I started the thread on the lack of interest in the migrant boat that capsized. I was shocked that such a huge loss of life wasn’t worthy of comment. However, those poor people had already lost their lives. This scenario is a race against time to save 4 men and one teenager trapped in a tiny craft, no room to stand up or stretch their legs and a finite amount of oxygen. They are 2 miles under the ocean, extremely cold and it’s pitch black. It’s the stuff of nightmares.

The more I think about it the more I hope something happened when the signal stopped and it was all over in seconds. It could have imploded, or been hit by something. The thought of them being trapped in there since Sunday morning is hard to contemplate. I doubt we’ll ever know but my thoughts are with them, just as much as my thoughts were with the drowned migrants.

There has been another migrant boat incident on the way to Italy, the Moroccan Coast Guard have found one dead child and others I believe are still missing.

These desperate people were trying to get to Italy, I read it on Sky News yesterday.

And the drownings are going to continue. As long as desperate people are prepared to risk their lives to escape poverty, persecution and war. And until the 'civilised' world gets to grips with the fact that people will continue to flee from all three of these states (not to mention the effects of climate change) and forms a cohesive policy to deal with the problem - and the problem of those who are migrating for criminal purposes... drug-dealing, trafficking and prostitution rackets, etc.

Shazmo24

The use of this type of technology is more common than you might think. I have a drive from wheelchair vehicle provided for me by Motability fitted with ‘Space Drive’, a similar system. It’s a good idea, in my experience, to give a heads up to anyone travelling with you as a passenger for the first time. They can get a bit twitchy when they realise there’s no steering wheel!

According to the news this morning the delay in obtaining assistance from other countries was caused by US bureaucracy. I am reminded of an incident after an earthquake in Italy in 1997 caused major damage to the Basilica of St Francis of Assisi. The Giotto frescoes were badly damaged and at least 10 people were killed.

A British company arrived on the scene with equipment that could be expanded once inside the building in order to prevent further collapse. In this case it was the Italian workforce who refused to let the company in and the Italian govt had to intervene so that the equipment was used.

It would seem that national pride sometimes takes precedence over the best course of action.

Apparently a French research vessel with a deep sea robot has slowed its speed close to the area. It has a robot capable of descending up to 6000 metres which can attach a cable to the submersible so that another vessel could haul it up.

I heard that also Dinahmo all I could think of what must the friends and family of those five me be thinking when they hear/read the same, heartbreaking

I believe Magellan are now there, along with many others in a last desperate search for the submersible. Sadly it is likely they have run out of air by now, unless they managed to stay extremely calm and maybe stretch it out for a few more hours. I assume the search will continue anyway, to recover their bodies if nothing else. Such a tragedy - heard a guy being interviewed on GB News who also visited the wreck and got into difficulties, although I believe he was surveying it rather than tourism. He said he had resigned himself to death but somehow he was rescued. I cannot think of much worse than being stuck in a tiny submersible for days, knowing you are likely to die - just awful.

Years ago my friends horse fell into a man made lake after a riding accident. By the end of the day any chance of saving him was slipping away but a RAF helicopter came out and winched him out. It cost a fortune but they said not only was it a good training exercise but the men found it a great moral booster and were overjoyed at being able to save the horse. Although there is little chance of rescuing the people in the submersible valuable information will be garnered, especially as we know less about the ocean floor than we know about outer space. I know I’m often accused of UK bashing on political threads but, if I was in a treacherous situation like this I know which country I’d want leading the rescue!I do hope that not getting the Magellan there sooner wasn’t a political decision.

According to what I’ve just heard Magellan won’t be there for 48 hours and was still on Jersey.

I remain hopeful for getting the crew back safely, prayers.

Iam64

Whataboutery is inevitable, I suppose, as we all express our responses to this unfolding tragedy. My initial feelings were to compare the risks these men willingly took to take part in an adventure, with the grave yard that the Mediterranean Sea is becoming. I had a word with myself. Compassion for humans in danger shouldn’t be only felt for people we conclude ‘deserve ‘ our prayers and compassion and not for those we judge

Glad you had a word with yourself, anyone in danger deserves compassion.😃
People should remember the Thai caving adventure that went wrong and we all held our breath until the kids were saved.
They and their leader went into those caves willingly, any kind of caving can be dangerous especially in wet weather.
Taking chances is part of human development and saving anyone is always worth doing.

Debris been found

Anniebach

Debris been found

I think for me the worst thing would be if they found the submarine with the prople too late to do anything.
If it has exploded, tragic though that is, it sort of explains things.

*people

If it has imploded, that’s a quick death. Something of a mercy.

Oreo do you really see the Thailand cave incident as equating with these men paying something like a million dollars to look at a wreck ?? the boys went into the cave on the advice of their ADULT teacher they didn’t just wander in on their own He was responsible for their predicament

I think we all know that the chance of survival is long gone now

My DH has informed me that debris has been found. 😪

BlueBelle
Yes, it was the same, done in the spirit of an exciting adventure.
I find your comments on this thread deplorable tbh as all you are saying really is how rich the people on the sub are as if that disqualifies them for any sympathy in your eyes.
Rich or poor doesn’t come into it.