Contempt of Parliament

You mean this one, where at 7.21 he basically calls Harman a liar?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=iP2Op2f8g2Y

She doesn’t look sour, she looks bemused.

MayBee70

It’s going to be discussed in parliament next Monday…I’m having my new windows filleted but I hope I’ll get to watch it. Not sure what time though.

Apologies. It’s a week on Monday not next Monday. And it’s thanks to Mordant that it’s happening ( just to prove that it isn’t a left wing attempt to undermine parliament). She’ll make a good opposition leader I think because the current opposition respect and work well with her, unlike most of the current government front benches.

Freya5

MayBee70

Isn’t it because of people like them that the Privileges Committee have had to be protected?

What from disagreeing with the proceedi gs. You really want a Parliament shut up because someone said something harman didn't like. A lot of what they have pointed out is true,prejudge g for a start.

It is nothing to do with what she does or doesn't like. I repeat:

I think there is a lack of understanding free speech. It is not an absolute right. There are limitations to ensure that it is not exercised in a way which causes harm to others.

The seat of our democracy is Parliament.

The House of Commons voted for the Priviledges Committee to carry out an inquiry - unanimously.

The House of Commons approved a motion to appoint Harriet to the Committee on the understanding that she would take the role of Chair - unanimously.

The Committee is comprised of seven MPs: four Conservative, two Labour and one SNP. They are elected to serve on the Committee by the House of Commons, in proportion to the parties’ representation in the House.

Whatever any individual may think, they do not, as was explained above, have the right to say just what they like if it can be seen as contempt of Parliament.

Some things are bigger than than the individual and the seat of democracy is one of them.

This is the case for everyone in Parliament and has been through government after government.

MayBee70

MayBee70

It’s going to be discussed in parliament next Monday…I’m having my new windows filleted but I hope I’ll get to watch it. Not sure what time though.

Apologies. It’s a week on Monday not next Monday. And it’s thanks to Mordant that it’s happening ( just to prove that it isn’t a left wing attempt to undermine parliament). She’ll make a good opposition leader I think because the current opposition respect and work well with her, unlike most of the current government front benches.

Maybee70 what does having windows filleted mean? Typo for fitted or some fancy new thing I haven’t heard of?

Thanks Oreo! I’ve lost track at the times I’ve re read something I’ve written and thought to myself ‘ did I really write that’. Or wonder why my iPad has come up with something so obscure! For some reason it won’t let me write ‘didn’t’ without me amending it several times!

Haha 😆

MayBee70

MayBee70

It’s going to be discussed in parliament next Monday…I’m having my new windows filleted but I hope I’ll get to watch it. Not sure what time though.

Apologies. It’s a week on Monday not next Monday. And it’s thanks to Mordant that it’s happening ( just to prove that it isn’t a left wing attempt to undermine parliament). She’ll make a good opposition leader I think because the current opposition respect and work well with her, unlike most of the current government front benches.

Thanks for the update MayBee.

ronib

Curious as to what counts as contempt. Witch-hunt and kangaroo court.
Lord Cruddas is quoted “If they don’t want people noticing they are a kangaroo court, then they should hop less.”
Bit tame really?
Playground spate.

I agree.
Harriet Harman gave us her judgement on Johnson a year ago. She said he was guilty then so yes, it was a kangaroo court.

I know this sounds crazy but I am going off large chunky necklaces as worn by Harriet Harman and Theresa May when in the Commons.
Separately I tend to agree with Nadine Dorries that Parliament should not mark its own homework.

Is this Nadine Dorries who is never in parliament and, when she is, spends most of her time writing her novels?

I’m thinking of investing in a big chunky necklace. I hadn’t thought about it before, but if it took two ballsy women to stand their ground to bring the lying miscreant down - it must be down to their necklaces, obviously. Do you think they coordinated it beforehand and though yes, the necklaces will be the clincher, let’s go for it?

MayBee70

Is this Nadine Dorries who is never in parliament and, when she is, spends most of her time writing her novels?

MayBee70 Nadine has sold 2.5 million copies don’t know if her constituents were ignored by her or not.
Chris Bryant won Best Non Fiction Book by a Parliamentarian for ‘The Glamour Boys’ 2020.
Seems there’s a tradition of writing combined with being an MP and it even got its own book awards.

I'm wondering what dirt Harman had on the 4 tory members of the Committee (who had the majority of votes) that enabled her to force them to acquiesce in her verdict that poor, innocent Boris had recklessly lied to Parliament.. 🤔

The concealed cameras in the necklaces?

ronib

The concealed cameras in the necklaces?

That’s one of the reasons I want one now ronib, I can film all my dog’s misdemeanours.

ronib

MayBee70

Is this Nadine Dorries who is never in parliament and, when she is, spends most of her time writing her novels?

MayBee70 Nadine has sold 2.5 million copies don’t know if her constituents were ignored by her or not.
Chris Bryant won Best Non Fiction Book by a Parliamentarian for ‘The Glamour Boys’ 2020.
Seems there’s a tradition of writing combined with being an MP and it even got its own book awards.

I very much doubt that Bryant did his writing when he should have been doing his parliamentary work…

MayBee70 Chris Bryant has written at least three books to my knowledge . But politicians do have very generous holidays.

Wes Streeting is all over TV promoting his autobiography at the moment, MP’s must have a lot of free time…

GrannyGravy13

Wes Streeting is all over TV promoting his autobiography at the moment, MP’s must have a lot of free time…

Yes, but have his fellow MP’s said that he wrote his book when he should have been doing his parliamentary work? From what I’ve seen of Chris he seems to be in parliament a lot of the time either on the benches or on various committees.

Judging by televised proceedings in the British parliament, heckling members one disagrees with, noisy interruptions and so on are still regarded as part of parliamentary free speech.

This is shocking to those of us more used to European states, where such behaviour would not pass unnoticed or unreproved.

So obviously what may be said in Parliament is a matter of tradition. I would be surprised to learn that "contempt of parliament" is an offence known to the law, never having heard of it before.

If it is, then lying to parliament ought to be more serious than stating that this that or the other was a kangaroo court.

It is perhaps time for politicians to start reviewing what manners they find fitting during parliamentary sessions.

MayBee70

GrannyGravy13

Wes Streeting is all over TV promoting his autobiography at the moment, MP’s must have a lot of free time…

Yes, but have his fellow MP’s said that he wrote his book when he should have been doing his parliamentary work? From what I’ve seen of Chris he seems to be in parliament a lot of the time either on the benches or on various committees.

From what I can see she hasn’t bothered to vote since 26th April….

Getting back to the principle of having 'an open and free society', and being allowed to say your piece, I have just watched BBC News, and am now reading this thread. I wondered, Ronib and Co, if there was a line you would draw on free speech? Do you think Jeremy Clarkson should have been criticised for the comments he made about the Duchess of Sussex in The Sun?

Funny how both some Tory MPs and some Tory voters are up in arms about a “prejudiced” committee which was made up from over 50% of Tory MPs - BJ and his most ardent supporters appear to believe the rules, some of which they made themselves, don’t apply to them - some of them have abused their positions and have been in contempt of parliament - they deserve all they have coming to them bar their new titles and elevations. There are still some very dedicated MPs on both sides of the house, sadly few made the cut into BJs cabinet nor his predecessors

Maremia well Jeremy Clarkson spews out and doesn’t stop to think too much if at all. Stream of unconscious more like. I don’t count his ranting on about Megan Markle as making much sense. I get he doesn’t like her. But he is able to gain attention and bask in the frenzied media airtime and he’s free to be sued by those he offends I guess. Is this what we mean by freedom of speech? Doesn’t add much to saving the world.
Although Jeremy Clarkson makes comments by Boris Johnson’s friends look insignificant - kangaroo court, witch hunt- as compared to tons of excrement.

ronib

Maremia well Jeremy Clarkson spews out and doesn’t stop to think too much if at all. Stream of unconscious more like. I don’t count his ranting on about Megan Markle as making much sense. I get he doesn’t like her. But he is able to gain attention and bask in the frenzied media airtime and he’s free to be sued by those he offends I guess. Is this what we mean by freedom of speech? Doesn’t add much to saving the world.
Although Jeremy Clarkson makes comments by Boris Johnson’s friends look insignificant - kangaroo court, witch hunt- as compared to tons of excrement.

Jeremy Clarkson isn’t in government and doesn’t have to abide by the ministerial code though( to my knowledge)….