Court of appeal supports asylum seekers challenge

Katie59

Last year 13000 Albanians arrived in small boats, all economic migrants of the rest many were from safe countries, even those from so called unsafe countries are not all refugees they are using the cover to get in.

Very few get returned even to Albania.

What we do know of course though is that nearly all of them are still here because the processing is so slow for their asylum claims. If that was sorted out, in the unlikely eventuality that they were all economic migrants they would have been returned to Albania by now, wouldn’t they?

katie59 Never mind. I’ll do it for you, because baiting people who post nonsense about issues they know nothing about gets boring.

76% of asylum claims are successful at the first stage (initial decision). Of the 24% (very much not a majority) that are unsuccessful at initial decision, three-quarters appeal. One-third of those appeals are successful. Overall, in case you don’t want to do the maths, that’s an 80% success rate. Those are figures from 2004 -2021.

Last year was an anomaly in that specialist programmes were opened for Hong Kong, Ukraine and Afghan.

In 2021 (a fairly typical year) 42% of applicants were nationals of Middle Eastern countries, and 23% were nationals of African countries. It would be hard to classify these as safe countries.

This pattern shifted in 2022 with the largest nationality groups being Asian countries (the Hong Kong effect (31% of applicants) and European countries (24% of applicants).

The number of Ukrainian refugees who arrived in the UK in 2022 was equivalent to the number of people granted refuge in the UK from all origins, in total, between 2014 and 2021. Perhaps you think war-torn Ukraine is safe?

For context, In 2021, there were around 9 asylum applications for every 10,000 people living in the UK. Across the EU27 there were 14 asylum applications for every 10,000 people. The UK was therefore below the average among EU countries for asylum applications per head of population, ranking 16th among EU27 countries plus the UK on this measure.

Families pool resources, get into debt to send one of their healthy young men on the perilous journey from eg Syria to seek sanctuary in northern Europe. Some aim for Britain because they have the language and ‘ or family here.

Posters who claim asylum seekers are wealthy because they pay smugglers seem to suggest wealth should be one of the reasons to ‘send them back or to Rwanda”. Is it a crime to have money? Not so far as I’m aware

No but surely it's a crime to pay criminal smuggling gangs to cross the channel to get here or do you think that's OK to support criminals seems to me some on here do. Also why don't these supposedly fit young men stay home in their own country and support their women, children and elders, no because its a load of tosh they are economic migrants with money wanting a better life in the UK.

Did you not see the programme last week about life in ~Iran and how easily young people were thrown into prison following protests. What happened to somepf them was absolutely dreadful. One mother spoke about her 16 year old daughter who was murdered by the security services, who of course said she had jumped off a wall. Another young man spoke about how he was tortured and raped.
No wonder some of these young people are desperate to leave and no wonder families are equally desperate to help them. Yes they do want a better life away from the morality police, and the cruelty of the security services.A life where than can speak out and alife free from fear.Wouldn't you , Nice Nanny ?

The programme is "inside the Iranian Uprising ."BBC 2 . Not an easy watch, but does give some idea of what is happening .

Iran has a land border with Turkey which is a beautiful safe country why don't they start their new life there if its so terrible in Iran (which I've don't doubt is not the best place to live but it's their country), no they want to pick and choose pay criminal people smuggling gangs and come to the UK. Also once here it's easy to say you have been abused who can prove otherwise the smuggling gangs probably tell them what to say and once the so called human rights lawyers get involved paid for by UK taxpayers well they know they probably be here to stay.

“76% of asylum claims are successful at the first stage (initial decision). Of the 24% (very much not a majority) that are unsuccessful at initial decision, three-quarters appeal. One-third of those appeals are successful. Overall, in case you don’t want to do the maths, that’s an 80% success rate. Those are figures from 2004 -2021. “

Damn statistics.
Very selective, we weren’t getting small boat arrivals for almost all of that period so they are absolutely not relevant today

You do realise that Turkey have taken in 3.6 million refugees. And I assume you haven’t forgotten that they’re still suffering from the catastrophic earth quakes they recently had?

MayBee70

You do realise that Turkey have taken in 3.6 million refugees. And I assume you haven’t forgotten that they’re still suffering from the catastrophic earth quakes they recently had?

Yes and they are being paid well by the EU to look after them close to their home country that most will return when it is safe.

Katie59

“76% of asylum claims are successful at the first stage (initial decision). Of the 24% (very much not a majority) that are unsuccessful at initial decision, three-quarters appeal. One-third of those appeals are successful. Overall, in case you don’t want to do the maths, that’s an 80% success rate. Those are figures from 2004 -2021. “

Damn statistics.
Very selective, we weren’t getting small boat arrivals for almost all of that period so they are absolutely not relevant today

The vast majority of people who have arrived on small boats since 2018 haven’t been processed yet Katie59, see further up the thread. People are here who have been waiting over 5 years. That doesn’t mean their applications won’t ultimately be successful.

Nanny ,do you have no compassion at all ?

There is also another series of programmes called "Evacuation".
These are the views and the retelling of what happened in Afghanistan by British troops.

MayBee70

You do realise that Turkey have taken in 3.6 million refugees. And I assume you haven’t forgotten that they’re still suffering from the catastrophic earth quakes they recently had?

The majority are Syrian refugees and many are hoping to go back home again to rebuild their country after the devastation caused by Assad with the help of Putin.
However, they are unable to do that yet ☹

Callistemon21

MayBee70

You do realise that Turkey have taken in 3.6 million refugees. And I assume you haven’t forgotten that they’re still suffering from the catastrophic earth quakes they recently had?

The majority are Syrian refugees and many are hoping to go back home again to rebuild their country after the devastation caused by Assad with the help of Putin.
However, they are unable to do that yet ☹

Just to clarify, Turkey hosts nearly half a million refugees besides the 3.6 million Syrian refugees.

I have plenty of compassion thank you, the British people have a long tradition of welcoming refugees and helping other countries in need but I'm not naive, the boat loads of illegals crossing the channel in their thousands who pay people smugglers vast sums of money and travel hundreds and hundreds of miles to get here their destination of choice are not among them. It's costing us millions everyday to house and feed them, provide doctors, dentists etc etc enough is enough and it seems Italy and a few other EU countries are thinking the same way.

Nicenanny3

I have plenty of compassion thank you, the British people have a long tradition of welcoming refugees and helping other countries in need but I'm not naive, the boat loads of illegals crossing the channel in their thousands who pay people smugglers vast sums of money and travel hundreds and hundreds of miles to get here their destination of choice are not among them. It's costing us millions everyday to house and feed them, provide doctors, dentists etc etc enough is enough and it seems Italy and a few other EU countries are thinking the same way.

Totally with you Nicenanny! Most of them leave their women and children at home to cope alone too!!

Thanks Primrose 👏

Katie59

“76% of asylum claims are successful at the first stage (initial decision). Of the 24% (very much not a majority) that are unsuccessful at initial decision, three-quarters appeal. One-third of those appeals are successful. Overall, in case you don’t want to do the maths, that’s an 80% success rate. Those are figures from 2004 -2021. “

Damn statistics.
Very selective, we weren’t getting small boat arrivals for almost all of that period so they are absolutely not relevant today

I give up. None so blind, and all that.

Nearly 4,000 people arrived on boats in June alone. This is just crazy.

Once more for those at the back: if there were effective safe routes available there would be no need for people smugglers/small boats.

Siope

Once more for those at the back: if there were effective safe routes available there would be no need for people smugglers/small boats.

How patronising! Many if us don’t want safe routes we want controlled immigration. We want to choose who comes here.

Primrose53

Siope

Once more for those at the back: if there were effective safe routes available there would be no need for people smugglers/small boats.

How patronising! Many if us don’t want safe routes we want controlled immigration. We want to choose who comes here.

And - rather than dismissing the facts, that families pool resources to support a young, fit man to make the perilous journey, why not demonise those young men. Claim they abandoned their country and family to be an ‘economic migrant’

I saw a wonderful art installation at a museum in Berlin. The work detailed the journey taken by one 18 year old Syrian man. His family pooled resources, hoping he could reach the UK where other family members had settled. His description of the terror experienced with smuggling gangs, with people ready to exploit and rib him, was chilling.
I don’t believe it’s my job to ‘choose who comes here’
My job is to pay my taxes and do what I can to support those fleeing war and famine

Iam64

Primrose53

Siope

Once more for those at the back: if there were effective safe routes available there would be no need for people smugglers/small boats.

How patronising! Many if us don’t want safe routes we want controlled immigration. We want to choose who comes here.

And - rather than dismissing the facts, that families pool resources to support a young, fit man to make the perilous journey, why not demonise those young men. Claim they abandoned their country and family to be an ‘economic migrant’

I saw a wonderful art installation at a museum in Berlin. The work detailed the journey taken by one 18 year old Syrian man. His family pooled resources, hoping he could reach the UK where other family members had settled. His description of the terror experienced with smuggling gangs, with people ready to exploit and rib him, was chilling.
I don’t believe it’s my job to ‘choose who comes here’
My job is to pay my taxes and do what I can to support those fleeing war and famine

Then all the family are well off, not the poor people you try to portray. I can hand on heart tell you if I wanted my extended family to club together and raise money for me I would not get anywhere like the amounts they are paying people smugglers.

They’re not fleeing war and famine when they come from France or Albania! I pay my taxes and, like millions of others I still believe what this country needs is controlled immigration.

Try getting into countries like Australia and Canada to live and see how you get on with no money behind you. 🤣🤣

Try getting into countries like Australia and Canada to live and see how you get on with no money behind you. 🤣🤣

Here's a link for your information, Primrose53, hope it helps.

www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/payment-for-refugees-and-asylum-seekers?context=60041#:~:text=As%20a%20refugee%20or%20humanitarian,disability%20and%20carer%20payments

The UK offered protection to 23,841 people (including dependants) in 2022
In the 2022-23 financial year, the Australian Government is planning to issue 17,875 refugee and humanitarian visas

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