Court of appeal supports asylum seekers challenge

MerylStreep

Gloryianny
Hundreds have landed on beaches around the Dungeness area.
Non are documented they are picked up by vans waiting for them.
Told to me by a retired harbour master at Dover.

And deporting anyone to Rwanda is going to stop that?

I have no idea what happened after I left. Why would I?

I thought you might have been interested, that's all.

CvD66

Nicenanny3 - while any rape is a disaster, how about getting recognising that the existing population committed 193,555 sexual offences in 2022! Not to mention the Met police’s offences of course!

Both cases are horrendous, but it shows we have enough criminals homegrown, without importing even more. Or in some cases, getting them taken of a plane deporting them, among them a Somali rapist.

I’m particularly alienated by (not)nicegranny3’s suggestion that asylum seeker may = rapist.
Yes some asylum seekers will be predators but not the majority, this demonising/othering of desperate people is a sad reflection of the lack of compassion and understanding shown by some

The Rwanda proposal was always dreadful. Now it’s illegal thank goodness

22:30Iam64

I’m particularly alienated by (not)nicegranny3’s suggestion that asylum seeker may = rapist.
Yes some asylum seekers will be predators but not the majority, this demonising/othering of desperate people is a sad reflection of the lack of compassion and understanding shown by some

The Rwanda proposal was always dreadful. Now it’s illegal thank goodness

I beg your pardon another poster calling me names just because you don't like my post taken from a newspaper, well I'm sorry but it happened an illegal who came off a dingy only 40 days before and was being put up in a Hotel in Skegness courtesy of the UK taxpayers raped a girl, perhaps you don't like the truth and I did not say that all illegals coming over the channel having paid criminal gangs to get here are rapists but the facts are that the ones who have destroyed their paperwork/IDs we know nothing about and infact they could be convicted criminals, murderers, there are supposedly 19 suspected ISIS soldiers being put up in hotels God only knows why they haven't been deported. Perhaps instead of calling posters names you should get your head out of the sand

It isn’t ‘ calling names’ to disagree with another poster. Incidentally, my head isn’t in the sand.

Nicenanny3

22:30Iam64

I’m particularly alienated by (not)nicegranny3’s suggestion that asylum seeker may = rapist.
Yes some asylum seekers will be predators but not the majority, this demonising/othering of desperate people is a sad reflection of the lack of compassion and understanding shown by some

The Rwanda proposal was always dreadful. Now it’s illegal thank goodness

*I beg your pardon another poster calling me names just because you don't like my post taken from a newspaper, well I'm sorry but it happened an illegal who came off a dingy only 40 days before and was being put up in a Hotel in Skegness courtesy of the UK taxpayers raped a girl, perhaps you don't like the truth and I did not say that all illegals coming over the channel having paid criminal gangs to get here are rapists but the facts are that the ones who have destroyed their paperwork/IDs we know nothing about and infact they could be convicted criminals, murderers, there are supposedly 19 suspected ISIS soldiers being put up in hotels God only knows why they haven't been deported. Perhaps instead of calling posters names you should get your head out of the sand*

I dread to think which paper you were quoting from. People cannot be "illegal" as I am sure you know by now. However an asylum seekers arrives, if the say they they are claiming assylum they have done nothing "illegal".

You caĺl yourself "nice" but the use of such language is the first step in ghettoising a group. We have seen this done in the past and doing it now makes those who use such language no better than those we did it in the past. They are certainly not "nice" people, whether grandparents or anything else.

Conflating the words "asylum seeker" with the word rapist as if they are one and the same is disgusting. It reflects the use of the word "vermin" against Jews in the 1930s which conditioned people to think their "extermination" was acceptable. In the past (at least I hope it is past) in the USA, the conflation of colour with the word "rapist" let to vigilante attacks and even lynchings.

I think simply saying that you are not being "nice" is the least anyone can expect when they pick up on these extremist attempts to manipulate a population.

Freedom of speech is a privilege, not a right. This type of propaganda destroys others human rights.

The reporting of a crime can hardly be called propaganda. Asylum seekers have not been conflated with rapists. One apparently committed rape. I have already said that some come from cultures which deem white women whores. We have seen evidence of that from asylum seekers and from men born here but raised in a particular culture.

Germanshepherdsmum

The reporting of a crime can hardly be called propaganda. Asylum seekers have not been conflated with rapists. One apparently committed rape. I have already said that some come from cultures which deem white women whores. We have seen evidence of that from asylum seekers and from men born here but raised in a particular culture.

Which culture is that?

I am sure you will have used such identifiers for other cultures, GSM. I wonder when you have talked about the good things assylum seekers have done, or cricised the way they are treated once the are here?

Absolutely heartening to read this morning that contrary to what we read on threads like this the British people are one of the most sympathetic people in the world when it comes to asylum seekers, and far from rejecting them, feel that they should be accommodated.

So don’t believe everything you read on here folks.

That cheers me no end!

The Internet seems to amplify the extremes, Whitewave. Loud voices and mantra chanting make them appear in greater numbers than they are. Trump's "base" is only 9% and I doubt either extreme in this country is more than that.

However, we know that the more moderate people can get caught up and language is the greatest tool in doing this.

Asylum seeker, 33, charged with raping a woman in a Skegness park late at night was staying at taxpayer-funded hotel housing migrants on the seafront after 'arriving in the UK by dinghy just 40 days ago'
By Danya Bazaraa
12:23, 28 Jun 2023 , updated 15:46, 28 Jun 2023

From The Daily Mail

09:07DaisyAnneReturns

Another poster with their heads in the sand it seems.

Letters to the Times. I can find hundreds of these

Iam64

Imagine, if Yvette Cooper had been voted Labour leader when was stop alongside Jeremy Corby. Our country would be in a better place.

Laugh 😂.

Yes I agree iam her intelligence and integrity stands head and shoulders above Braverman.

Was the Court of Appeal right to judge Rwanda migrant plan 'unlawful'?
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Lay people cannot decide if a judgement is right or wrong. They can only say they like or don’t like the outcome. I don’t like the outcome and as the Lord Chief Justice dissented I hope an appeal will succeed.

Whitewavemark2

Germanshepherdsmum

The reporting of a crime can hardly be called propaganda. Asylum seekers have not been conflated with rapists. One apparently committed rape. I have already said that some come from cultures which deem white women whores. We have seen evidence of that from asylum seekers and from men born here but raised in a particular culture.

Which culture is that?

I am trying to find the culture that sees white women as whores. I can’t find that culture yet - appreciate a reply.

Am I the only person who finds it increasingly weird that we have a government, with several of its senior officers second generation migrants, who think they have they have the authority and mandate to close Britain to asylum seeker or to deport them to unsafe countries? Do they never think "There but for the grace of God (and the welcoming British people) go I"?

Migration has 'pull' and 'push' factors. This has been the case throughout all of our history. The 'pull' factor for GB is that we are a safe 'rich' nation. We can attempt to control the 'pull' factor, but we need a working system. The Rwanda project was a dog-whistle waste of time and effort. Suella Braverman is not up to the job, and should be replaced. With so many Tories in Parliament, there must be at least one who could take on this post, and do a better job. If you can suggest anyone, let Sunak know asap.
Unfortunately, we have no control over the 'push' factors, i.e. the reasons people feel compelled to leave their homes. These factors are well documented in the News. I think we are at a point in time when the 'pull' factors are growing and becoming more urgent, and so migration will increase.
Someone up-thread mentioned the French not being a help in this. May I offer a point of information? Before BREXIT we had a working system with our continental partners.

Glorianny, you are not alone.

I’m sure you are well aware Glorianny - it’s been reported often enough.

And I don’t think the parents of our second generation immigrants within the government came here on dinghies with no papers, do you?