BBC presenter allegations.

I’m curious that Doodledog can be accused of being obsessed by safeguarding especially in the context of this discussion,

Cross posted with you NanaDana.
I looked at mumsnet earlier and was reassured that ‘obsession with safeguarding ‘ is alive and well there.

Put it this way, nobody knows the facts in this case and if a person is 18 it’s up to them what they do, either for cash or just cos they want to.It’s no good going all moral about it.
If images were shared and under 18 then it’s an offence, but what an anomaly, you can legally have sex or marry at 16 but not send images.

Oreo

Doodledog

Ok. It's all in my obsessive mind. You clearly know better.

You do sound to be a teeny bit obsessed with the safeguarding issue from your comments.
I bet nothing is one sided in this whole mess.

Do I?

I can't say I agree, but maybe it's easier to see as a reader (and I don't think it's possible to be a teeny bit obsessed - obsession is all or nothing, surely? ).

Anyway, you are right that this is a mess, and that it is perfectly possible that none of the players is 'innocent'. But can there really be a situation involving a young, addicted young person and a rich, famous man who is old enough to be their grandfather in which the balance of power lies with the young one? Remember that Mr X paid the young man £35k, according to the mother. What do you think he'd expect in return for that sort of money?

As an aside, it is now breaking that Mr X broke lockdown laws to meet a 23 year old from a 'dating site'. This is number three.

Yes MN tend to have a good understanding of safeguarding and of course have a good understanding of the power issues involved in the selling of sex. It was MN where I became interested in the complex issues of paying for consent and the lack of thought behind choicey choice feminism.

Using the word teeny, I was trying to be kind.
I don’t think all the speculation helps or describing scenarios that are your own concoction.

NanaDana makes some good points.

Listening to the news now, it was said 2 not 3

Oreo

Put it this way, nobody knows the facts in this case and if a person is 18 it’s up to them what they do, either for cash or just cos they want to.It’s no good going all moral about it.
If images were shared and under 18 then it’s an offence, but what an anomaly, you can legally have sex or marry at 16 but not send images.

I missed this.

Do you really think that if anything is adult - adult it is ok? Even if one party is a third of the age of the other, and is potentially unable to give informed consent because of addiction?

I don't think that the sex/video age difference is anomalous at all. Pictures/videos are potentially far more damaging than consensual sex. Once they are out there they don't go away, and a 16 year old is far too young to understand the implications of that. I suspect that 18 is also too young, but as it is the age of majority in the UK it would be difficult to enforce a higher age of consent there.

The 17 year old was in drugs before involved with the unnamed man Doodledog ?

It's on sky news. Although I can't make out if it's a third person or third allegation by the second person.

I won’t indulge in speculation.
I don’t believe I’ve said that anything adult to adult is alright on this thread.I do think that consensual texts, phone calls emails or sending images if it doesn’t break any laws is ok tho.

Anniebach

The 17 year old was in drugs before involved with the unnamed man Doodledog ?

Anniebach, are you suggesting that a 17 year old who ‘was in drugs before involved with the unnamed man’ is somehow responsible ?

Adults are responsible when they exploit vulnerable young people

Not responsible for starting the addict on drugs

Three allegations

Thanks for clarifying that Annie. For me it only confirms my concern that a man old enough to be his grandfather chose to exploit a much younger, clearly vulnerable individual

Was everyone out partying or behaving inappropriately during lockdown. I was watching repeats of the office, I obviously was doing it wrong.

Where does it say three?

Galaxy

Was everyone out partying or behaving inappropriately during lockdown. I was watching repeats of the office, I obviously was doing it wrong.

😂. I was watching the box set of Line of Duty, with Derry Girls as light relief
I was terrified my 10 month old grandson wouldn’t recognise me when we were allowed to meet (he did 💙)

Galaxy

Was everyone out partying or behaving inappropriately during lockdown. I was watching repeats of the office, I obviously was doing it wrong.

We didn't notice the partying because we were all staying at home as ordered by the Government via the saintly BBC.

I taught myself to crochet - when I could have been living the high life!

I've just seen the report of three.

Kate1949

Where does it say three?

Kate1959
There was the one reported in The Sun.
Then there was the one that received threatening messages.
Now we have this one who the presenter met up with.
I hope he wasn’t one of the news readers telling me to stay at home in the lockdown.

Iam64
Nothing wrong with a bit of Derry Girls 😂
Me and my granddaughter howl with laughter at those girls.

Is there no other news? Just sat through half hour of this on Sky. Now switched off.

Police force outside of London investigated the case in April
and found - nothing

25Avalon

Is there no other news? Just sat through half hour of this on Sky. Now switched off.

The monsoons, earthquakes, wars, refugee crisis, climate change, tennis have all be put on hold while everyone discusses this major story.