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The Refugee Ship

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nanna8 Tue 18-Jul-23 13:52:15

I couldn’t believe this. Tell me it isn’t true. Back to the 18 th century.

Casdon Fri 21-Jul-23 20:15:35

Why are there so many asylum seekers waiting for decisions Germanshepherdsmum?
Why aren’t we using Eurodac?
Why is the economic crisis so bad in the UK compared with our peers?
Why aren’t there more council houses to alleviate the housing shortage?
Why are there so many foodbanks?
Your head is buried so far in the sand you may never find it again.
On that frustrated note I have to bow out for tonight, as I’m going to the pub, which is just as well as I need a very strong drink.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 21-Jul-23 20:16:06

Germanshepherdsmum

Indeed Henetha. Is nothing short of five star accommodation acceptable for these wretched people? I truly cannot believe the luxury accommodation - and facilities - yet posters say it’s not good enough. What planet are you on, when people born and bred here, who have paid their taxes here, can’t hope for such accommodation and rely on food banks? It’s beyond belief,

wretched people

I have no words…

Callistemon21 Fri 21-Jul-23 20:35:54

Germanshepherdsmum

And you can’t just build one apartment, you have to build a block - plus the infrastructure ….

There is a lot of home building going on in this country, mostly private but including social housing as that is required by law.
However, the infrastructure to support it is not evident.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 21-Jul-23 20:37:15

My head is not buried in the sand Casdon. Why do you think it is?

And yes GG, wretched people who don’t have to come here.

Callistemon21 Fri 21-Jul-23 20:39:46

Coronation

What do other countries do with the migrants and refugees?

Good question

Callistemon21 Fri 21-Jul-23 20:44:25

Casdon

It’s absolutely grim. I’m surprised to discover that some of you live in substandard accommodation yourselves if you think this is luxurious. Just look at the pictures.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66270811

It looks clean, basic and ft for purpose for single men.. Better than some of the sipubstandard accommodation many people in this countries have to endure.

Rather like a Youth Hostel, which I used in my younger days and in fact, we have stayed in as a family too.

Callistemon21 Fri 21-Jul-23 20:45:30

I really fail to see what is wrong with the accommodation, sorry Casdon.

Many people would be glad of it.

MerylStreep Fri 21-Jul-23 20:51:11

Callistemon21

Coronation

What do other countries do with the migrants and refugees?

Good question

From experience I only know about Spain where they work them to near death and house them in shacks where you wouldn’t keep a dog.
All so that Europe can have all that lovely out of season fruit and veg.

Callistemon21 Fri 21-Jul-23 20:52:10

Primrose53

Casdon …… here you go! This is the King’s Guard Wellington Barracks.

the illegal immigrants really would have something to complain about if they were put in army barracks!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11923645/Shocking-state-British-Armys-filthy-Wellington-Barracks-revealed.html

Well, I cannot believe that military personnel live in conditions like that.
In fact I do not believe it, they should be ashamed of themselves.
What happened to barrack inspections by eagle-eyed sergeants? Not a thing out of place, beds made to perfection?

Callistemon21 Fri 21-Jul-23 20:53:33

MerylStreep

Callistemon21

Coronation

What do other countries do with the migrants and refugees?

Good question

From experience I only know about Spain where they work them to near death and house them in shacks where you wouldn’t keep a dog.
All so that Europe can have all that lovely out of season fruit and veg.

Oh yes, I saw that programme too.
Shocking. They slept in the greenhouses.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 21-Jul-23 20:57:17

Callistemon21

Primrose53

Casdon …… here you go! This is the King’s Guard Wellington Barracks.

the illegal immigrants really would have something to complain about if they were put in army barracks!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11923645/Shocking-state-British-Armys-filthy-Wellington-Barracks-revealed.html

Well, I cannot believe that military personnel live in conditions like that.
In fact I do not believe it, they should be ashamed of themselves.
What happened to barrack inspections by eagle-eyed sergeants? Not a thing out of place, beds made to perfection?

Nothing wrong with the accommodation, just the filthy folks living there who need to clear up there own mess.

Callistemon21 Fri 21-Jul-23 21:00:46

I'm truly shocked GrannyGravy
They should be ashamed!

Daily inspections need to be reinstated.

Iam64 Fri 21-Jul-23 21:06:03

Primrose, you compared the asylum seekers with our homeless veterans sleeping in doorways.
Research shoes only 0.7% of households who were homeless or at risk of homelessness in 2021 and 2022 had support needs as a result of having served in the armed forces (16.03.23)

We have a growing homeless population. Rightly, our veterans get support

Callistemon21 Fri 21-Jul-23 21:06:51

baff.org.uk/shocking-state-of-wellington-barracks-story-questioned

However...

The barracks are indeed old, with for example toilet and shower provision inadequate for modern SLA standards, and the hot water is said to have been off for several weeks in January and February. Parts of the story have, however, been questioned by us and on social media. This was reposted at the 'Army Rumour Service':
See link.

No hot water in winter is unacceptable and the barracks need upgrading but the photos are not a true reflection of what it is really like.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 21-Jul-23 21:11:18

Callistemon21

I'm truly shocked GrannyGravy
They should be ashamed!

Daily inspections need to be reinstated.

Accommodation is checked on takeover and leaving
In the forces it’s called marching in and marching out

Other than that it’s only if there is a problem that housing or welfare would see what is a military personnel’s accommodation.

Callistemon21 Fri 21-Jul-23 21:13:06

GrannyGravy13

Callistemon21

I'm truly shocked GrannyGravy
They should be ashamed!

Daily inspections need to be reinstated.

Accommodation is checked on takeover and leaving
In the forces it’s called marching in and marching out

Other than that it’s only if there is a problem that housing or welfare would see what is a military personnel’s accommodation.

Oh, I do remember! But that was married quarters.

Primrose53 Fri 21-Jul-23 21:49:11

Iam64

Primrose, you compared the asylum seekers with our homeless veterans sleeping in doorways.
Research shoes only 0.7% of households who were homeless or at risk of homelessness in 2021 and 2022 had support needs as a result of having served in the armed forces (16.03.23)

We have a growing homeless population. Rightly, our veterans get support

Not always! We had a soldier who carried Princess Diana’s coffin and worked for the Royals who was found dead in a street in Norfolk and having slipped through the net and being homeless.

SueDonim Fri 21-Jul-23 23:36:23

Casdon

It’s absolutely grim. I’m surprised to discover that some of you live in substandard accommodation yourselves if you think this is luxurious. Just look at the pictures.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66270811

My husband spent years living in such accommodation when he worked offshore on oil platforms. Not only that, they also had to ‘hotbed’ at times such as during shutdowns.

Those photos also look a darn sight better than some student accommodation my offspring have lived in at times, for which we had to pay endless £££.

nanna8 Sat 22-Jul-23 01:13:26

I have to admit it looks better than I expected and I didn’t expect gymnasiums . It looks like a Princess cruise line, albeit the economy class. I have to say, if it is anything like here, a lot of homeless people wouldn’t go in a hostel place because of the other people there who are sometimes violent and/ or drug affected - they feel safer in doorways rather than in the ‘shelters’ where things get stolen and people beat them up. Completely different issues from the refugees. At least I hope so.

Joseann Sat 22-Jul-23 08:26:45

Following on from that nanna8, and people asking about other countries, I know that in France the overflow of refugees are put in hostels where there are also undesirable druggies and violent people etc. There is a move to place them in regions outside the capital because the reception centres are saturated. Infact even existing refugees housed in Paris are being removed to the French countryside so they don't "spoil" the look of the city during the Olympic Games. The latter I feel sorry for because they are under duress and are usually without an interpreter to inform them of the implications, but equally they can't demand to choose where to go and what type of accommodation when there are so many needy homeless French nationals.

Freya5 Sat 22-Jul-23 08:30:29

Casdon

Nicenanny3

18:16Casdon

In fact I’m appalled at the lack of compassion and the utter selfishness of some posters on this thread, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

*Just out of interest where do you think they should be housed then, what facilities and comforts are they missing*

I’ve summarised what I think should happen already in this thread Nicenanny3.
In terms of accommodation specifically, I think housing people who are fleeing from war zones in bunk beds on a grim portakabin offshore is unacceptable, bearing in mind 70% of these men will ultimately be granted refugee status. If I were in charge I’d suggest they are boarded out one each with the Tory supporting most un compassionate Gransnetters actually to see if you feel the same about them when you hear the truth about what they have been through. Failing that, disused military facilities are probably the best option. Just to remind you, only 6% of asylum seekers have been processed since 2018, the Tory party has caused this backlog problem.

I would suggest you check whether all Labour and Lib dims agree with this policy of housing 500 illegal immigrants on a barge near them. Why make a blanket accusation that it's all down to Torys. Just listened to the deputy mayor of portland, giving off blanket waffle on behalf of the Labour Party, she obviously does not listen to her local people about what they have to say. So come along all you in favour give these young men a room.

Primrose53 Sat 22-Jul-23 08:42:14

SueDonim

Casdon

It’s absolutely grim. I’m surprised to discover that some of you live in substandard accommodation yourselves if you think this is luxurious. Just look at the pictures.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66270811

My husband spent years living in such accommodation when he worked offshore on oil platforms. Not only that, they also had to ‘hotbed’ at times such as during shutdowns.

Those photos also look a darn sight better than some student accommodation my offspring have lived in at times, for which we had to pay endless £££.

I said the same earlier SueDonim. My friend’s husband and son both work on the rigs.

Nicenanny3 Sat 22-Jul-23 09:12:15

3 dinghies yesterday about 157 rough seas.

Dickens Sat 22-Jul-23 09:33:09

nanna8

I have to admit it looks better than I expected and I didn’t expect gymnasiums . It looks like a Princess cruise line, albeit the economy class. I have to say, if it is anything like here, a lot of homeless people wouldn’t go in a hostel place because of the other people there who are sometimes violent and/ or drug affected - they feel safer in doorways rather than in the ‘shelters’ where things get stolen and people beat them up. Completely different issues from the refugees. At least I hope so.

Agree nana8. There are no 'frills' but it is providing the basic needs for human existence in a safe environment.

Faced with an ever-increasing number of migrants seeking asylum in the UK, we have to be both compassionate and realistic.

We have a system which is designed to help persecuted people and those suffering the effects of environmental disasters, and this system has to be sustainable.

As much as one might sympathise with an economic migrant and understand their motives - they are in effect abusing the system, and it will ultimately collapse if steps are not taken to deter them from exploiting it.

It's all very well to suggest that among these migrants will be much-needed doctors and engineers, there might well be, but there will also be uneducated migrants from poor countries and, again, as much as one can understand and sympathise with their motives in wanting a better life - this is not what the system was designed for.

Those that suggest we welcome anyone and everyone who want to come here with open arms are being as unrealistic as those who think we should just push the boats back and wash our hands of the whole migration problem.

We all know that immigration to our shores has been happening since it first became possible to move around from country to country. We have absorbed immigrants, and their culture(s) into our own.

If you are a refugee from, say, the war in Syria, and you are languishing in a refugee-camp in Jordan or Turkey, for months on end with no prospects, no work, no future - and decide to further migrate to Sweden / Germany or the UK - are you an asylum seeker or an economic migrant?

I don't know the answer, and I don't know the solution, but that's the reality, and that's why we need an integrated and co-ordinated Europe-wide and world-wide strategy to deal with the matter. Because the system has to be sustainable and we have to have the infrastructure to support it.

And if climate-change ultimately makes some parts of the world completely uninhabitable - then we really do have to have a plan. World-leaders are just not keeping up in any meaningful sense with the rapid change in environmental matters and geo-political events, maybe because they're too invested in their domestic popularity and too involved in internal squabbles.

I don't think my 'view' will be popular - with either those that are 'for' or those that are 'against', and I am looking at the issue from both a narrow, personal perspective as well as a wider, hopefully more objective one, but even so, there appears to be a 'narrative', and I don't think I've followed it. Also, of course, I'm no expert - and there are other posters who are far more involved and far more knowledgeable on this issue, so I'm prepare to be 'corrected'.

Joseann Sat 22-Jul-23 09:33:40

The rough seas are coming in later, not yet. Probably just the media hyping it again.
The past few days the sea state in Plymouth and Portland has been slight or moderate.
I know because DD and SiL are avid sea state checkers (paddle boarders).