The Refugee Ship

That little B word has had a massive impact.

Nicenanny3

450 illegals arrived today nearly one barge full.

Yes, nearly a barge full arrived today.

Buses are to be provided to transport them so they can play football, use computers, go shopping etc.

I imagine quite a few will have a kick around then disappear, never to be seen again!

Indeed Urmston but my point was the boat numbers were low in 2018 and could have been dealt with effectively.

Riverwalk

I recently heard either on Radio 4 or Times Radio, some extraordinary statistics, it was something like in 2018 there were around 400 arrivals by small boats in the whole year - so it was an easily manageable number that could have been dealt with.

Unfortunately the Tory Party have spent the time since having leadership contests and non-stop internal squabbles - is it any wonder that around 98,000 have arrived since then!

How many of those have had their applications dealt with or are still languishing in the system, who knows.

It’s 92,000 according to the Commons Library. So, they have only processed 6000 in four years if the figures are all correct.

I've no idea what the absconding rate is but would imagine that most want to go through the system to regularise their status and make a future for themselves, particularly those from Syria & Afghanistan who are usually successful in their asylum application.

However if I were to be stuck in limbo for years as many are, I'd be tempted to do a runner.

Nicenanny3

450 illegals arrived today nearly one barge full.

They are not "illegals" whatever our opinion of the offshore accommodation barges is.

Yes they are illegals whether you like it or not. Paying criminal smuggling gangs to get here about £3500 each and destroying their papers don't be so naive and get real.

Nicenanny3

Yes they are illegals whether you like it or not. Paying criminal smuggling gangs to get here about £3500 each and destroying their papers don't be so naive and get real.

You’re wrong. An asylum seeker is not an illegal immigrant.
Here’s the full fact explanation.
fullfact.org/immigration/can-refugees-enter-uk-illegally/

Thanks Casdon for giving the full facts. I’m afraid it won’t be accepted by the angry posters, no matter how fact checked.

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Casdon

Riverwalk

I recently heard either on Radio 4 or Times Radio, some extraordinary statistics, it was something like in 2018 there were around 400 arrivals by small boats in the whole year - so it was an easily manageable number that could have been dealt with.

Unfortunately the Tory Party have spent the time since having leadership contests and non-stop internal squabbles - is it any wonder that around 98,000 have arrived since then!

How many of those have had their applications dealt with or are still languishing in the system, who knows.

It’s 92,000 according to the Commons Library. So, they have only processed 6000 in four years if the figures are all correct.

It’s 92,000 according to the Commons Library. So, they have only processed 6000 in four years if the figures are all correct.

So it will take about 14 or so years to clear the backlog!

I read - and I really can't remember where but it was a serious piece about the assessors. Apparently, there is a high staff turnover because of the pressures and stress of the job. Which means that it's not unusual for assessors to be 'new recruits' without experience - who then probably get stressed and decide to leave...

And, since Brexit, we no longer have access to th Eurodac fingerprint database so cannot determine which other European countries ASs have passed through, so can't ask those countries to take them back.

So much for Britain taking back “full control of our money, our borders and our laws” (B Johnson 2020).

I know the government could not anticipate the numbers arriving, but I do wonder how much pre-planning was focused on this aspect of border control, and how much funding it was given.

Most are not genuine asylum seekers are they, they are economic migrants who've paid vast sums of money to criminal gangs to pass through various other countries to reach their destination of choice the UK. Our government agrees they are illegals, The Illegal Migration Bill.

Nicenanny3

Most are not genuine asylum seekers are they, they are economic migrants who've paid vast sums of money to criminal gangs to pass through various other countries to reach their destination of choice the UK. Our government agrees they are illegals, The Illegal Migration Bill.

Just read the full fact Nicenanny.
What you say isn’t true. 73% of applications for asylum were approved last year.
Here’s some more factual information for you to absorb from the Refugee Council.
www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/information/refugee-asylum-facts/top-10-facts-about-refugees-and-people-seeking-asylum/#:~:text=A%20total%20of%2017%2C872%20people,13%2C499%20people%20were%20granted%20protection.

Nicenanny3, most are genuine asylum seekers as 73% of initial decisions in the year March 2023 were granted, meaning they were awarded refugee status or humanitarian protection.

I can’t remember how many times I’ve posted this, and I don’t suppose this time it will be any more successful with some posters, but FWIW

76% of asylum seekers were approved at the first stage of the application process in 2022.

Appeal figures for 2022 are not yet known, but they are consistent in earlier years, with around three-quarters of applicants refused asylum at initial decision lodging an appeal and almost one third of those appeals succeeding.

That’s a total of 82% genuine refugees, which means that most are not economic migrants.

Multiple sources, including the House of Commons Library.

Casdon

Nicenanny3

Yes they are illegals whether you like it or not. Paying criminal smuggling gangs to get here about £3500 each and destroying their papers don't be so naive and get real.

You’re wrong. An asylum seeker is not an illegal immigrant.
Here’s the full fact explanation.
fullfact.org/immigration/can-refugees-enter-uk-illegally/

And you believe them?

thecritic.co.uk/how-neutral-is-full-fact/

Yes Primrose I do. Probably because I also know that The Critic is a right-wing culture war magazine, offering self-described "critical voices" to the mainstream "consensus of virtue" that it claims rules the country. Aka tripe.

Nicenanny3

Most are not genuine asylum seekers are they, they are economic migrants who've paid vast sums of money to criminal gangs to pass through various other countries to reach their destination of choice the UK. Our government agrees they are illegals, The Illegal Migration Bill.

73% of applications for asylum were granted. So most were asylum seekers www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/information/refugee-asylum-facts/top-10-facts-about-refugees-and-people-seeking-asylum/

Considering that most of the migrants are from Albania. a safe European country, it’s pretty obvious that the vast majority are economic migrants.

In any case how many are we expected to take?
How many from the Middle East and Africa would like to live here? It could easily be millions couldn’t it?

It’s been stated so many times before but we just don’t have the infrastructure to cope with those who are already here, so how are we expected to cope with many more?

Like others have said though I am very concerned that the young men on the barge are allowed to go ashore unaccompanied.
No wonder the locals are extremely concerned.

Anyway at least the government is trying to come up with an alternative to the six million pounds per day it is currently costing to house these arrivals in hotels.

The only long term solution though is to stop the boats leaving France in the first place.
The people smugglers business racket needs to be broken.
We are paying the French heaven knows how many millions each year to stop the boats leaving their coast yet still they come.

Nicenanny3

Yes they are illegals whether you like it or not. Paying criminal smuggling gangs to get here about £3500 each and destroying their papers don't be so naive and get real.

No need to be so rude. You are still wrong though

Why shouldnt people seeking refuge be ‘allowed’ to walk amongst us

Siope

I can’t remember how many times I’ve posted this, and I don’t suppose this time it will be any more successful with some posters, but FWIW

76% of asylum seekers were approved at the first stage of the application process in 2022.

Appeal figures for 2022 are not yet known, but they are consistent in earlier years, with around three-quarters of applicants refused asylum at initial decision lodging an appeal and almost one third of those appeals succeeding.

That’s a total of 82% genuine refugees, which means that most are not economic migrants.

Multiple sources, including the House of Commons Library.

You can keep trying, Siope, but some minds just ain't open for business.

Please correct my maths if I'm wrong but by my reckoning the number of asylum seekers who have arrived in the last four years equates to less than 0.15% of our population, many of them are capable of working and contributing to our economy and we have a labour shortage. Surely any pressure on local and national services is a result of the chronic underfunding that they have received whilst the Conservative govt has been in power. However, isn't it a good distraction to blame all our societies ills on a minute number of people, who if there had been a proper immigration service could have been processed effectively with some sent home but the majority actually working and contributing.

My concern is the vast number of single men amongst them Iam, and the safety of women. Many come from cultures which have very different attitudes towards women to our own. The housing of up to 1700 single male asylum seekers in disused barracks in the next village to my son’s home is causing genuine fear amongst the local population. Don’t you think a fair number of them will be seeking sex?

Nearly every boat migrant arrives in the UK without a passport

As covered by the national press, we published an analysis – based on a freedom of information release – with the bombshell finding that 98% of boat migrants have no passport when they arrive in the UK. The absence of a passport of course means it is all the harder to identify those coming, and even more difficult to remove them. Just  317 arrivals were found to have a passport when processed between 2018 and mid-2021, during a period when no fewer than 16,500 boat migrants were detected arriving (see our  Channel Tracking Station). The risks to security that the absence of reliable documentation poses are clear. Many of those coming illegally destroy documentation en route
(Migration Watch Website)

Germanshepherdsmum

My concern is the vast number of single men amongst them Iam, and the safety of women. Many come from cultures which have very different attitudes towards women to our own. The housing of up to 1700 single male asylum seekers in disused barracks in the next village to my son’s home is causing genuine fear amongst the local population. Don’t you think a fair number of them will be seeking sex?

There are thousands of students from other countries, with very different cultures housed in single person student accommodation, in a city near me.
Should I be worried about them? will a fair number of them be seeking sex?