The Refugee Ship

Nicenanny3

Nearly every boat migrant arrives in the UK without a passport

As covered by the national press, we published an analysis – based on a freedom of information release – with the bombshell finding that 98% of boat migrants have no passport when they arrive in the UK. The absence of a passport of course means it is all the harder to identify those coming, and even more difficult to remove them. Just  317 arrivals were found to have a passport when processed between 2018 and mid-2021, during a period when no fewer than 16,500 boat migrants were detected arriving (see our  Channel Tracking Station). The risks to security that the absence of reliable documentation poses are clear. Many of those coming illegally destroy documentation en route
(Migration Watch Website)

That's easily addressed. Process the ones with a passport quickly and efficiently . Word will soon get round that those without have to wait longer.

51Glorianny

Germanshepherdsmum

My concern is the vast number of single men amongst them Iam, and the safety of women. Many come from cultures which have very different attitudes towards women to our own. The housing of up to 1700 single male asylum seekers in disused barracks in the next village to my son’s home is causing genuine fear amongst the local population. Don’t you think a fair number of them will be seeking sex?

There are thousands of students from other countries, with very different cultures housed in single person student accommodation, in a city near me.
Should I be worried about them? will a fair number of them be seeking sex?

Entirely different, students pay to study here and have full documentation with them unlike the illegals who mostly have destroyed their ID, they could have criminal records for all we know, whereas the students would have been veted, big difference

I am with Nicenanny3 on this.

I do not agree with the hotel expenses and laying on transport for activities etc. Our homeless are sleeping on the streets.

I am sure there are a few genuine, but most are not fleeing for their lives. If that was the case they would be holding on to their passports, etc. and not complaining about the hotels etc. If my family were fleeing for our lives we would be happy with a tent.

Why I ask do most want to come to Britain? Is it because they can talk some English having been taught in schools?
Also, some European countries where the overland ones pass through must be letting them through in big numbers. Just glad to see the back of them.
It does sound cruel and hard but with so many homeless people in Britain or living in poor rented accommodation,they must hear about it. Is it still preferable to living in their own countries? In which case Civil rights in these countries need closely monitored.
As someone up, post said a lot are Albanians they are not living in a war-torn country under despotic rule they are here as Economic migrants.
It is easy to emphasise with them which I do to a certain extent. I ask myself how would I feel if they were put in a hotel near me, where you can't see a DR or Dentist have little or no money and live in appalling conditions with children, then I think my attitude would change.

Nicenanny3, Well said.

I just wish there was as much concern shown for the British

citizens who live in poor deprived areas, as there is shown for

illegal migrants by those GN posters on this thread.

It was on the news this morning that another hotel has been closed, staff all lost their jobs in Llanelli (sp) in order to house migrants.

The locals are protesting and blocking the entrance to the hotel which is at the end of a private road.

I have an uneasy feeling that we will see a backlash against these desperate people who have fled from their homelands for their safety.

utterbliss

Nicenanny3, Well said.

I just wish there was as much concern shown for the British

citizens who live in poor deprived areas, as there is shown for

illegal migrants by those GN posters on this thread.

Having empathy for folks who have fled their place of birth due to war, famine, bigotry, fear of death due to their sexuality etc., does not exclude being outraged by the plight of U.K. citizens struggling to find affordable housing, sofa surfing etc.

The young men on dinghies look fit and well fed to me and that's who I'm talking about not the brave Afghan interpreters I have every sympathy for them also the Ukrainian mostly women and children who we have welcomed with open arms to the UK who were fleeing war while their brave husbands and sons are defending their country. Why aren't these fit young men defending their families.But I'm not naive it's blatantly obvious most on the dinghies are economic migrants they obviously have money to pay to the criminal smuggling gangs to reach their destination of choice the UK (England). Also it's easy to tell a tail the smuggling gangs tell them what to say it's a multi million pounds business to them.

GrannyGravy13

It was on the news this morning that another hotel has been closed, staff all lost their jobs in Llanelli (sp) in order to house migrants.

The locals are protesting and blocking the entrance to the hotel which is at the end of a private road.

I have an uneasy feeling that we will see a backlash against these desperate people who have fled from their homelands for their safety.

There seems to be no real, cohesive plan in place. Finding more and more places to "dump" asylum seekers is not the answer.
It does cause resentment, especially if people lose their jobs as a consequence, people's breaks are cancelled at short notice because a booked hotel is commissioned by the government to house migrants and nothing is in place so they are left, bored and bewildered, no jobs, nothing to do, to be prey to gang masters or wander around in groups, unnerving local people.

Nicenanny3

51Glorianny

Germanshepherdsmum

My concern is the vast number of single men amongst them Iam, and the safety of women. Many come from cultures which have very different attitudes towards women to our own. The housing of up to 1700 single male asylum seekers in disused barracks in the next village to my son’s home is causing genuine fear amongst the local population. Don’t you think a fair number of them will be seeking sex?

There are thousands of students from other countries, with very different cultures housed in single person student accommodation, in a city near me.
Should I be worried about them? will a fair number of them be seeking sex?

*Entirely different, students pay to study here and have full documentation with them unlike the illegals who mostly have destroyed their ID, they could have criminal records for all we know, whereas the students would have been veted, big difference*

Well I would imagine anyone with the ability to do so could fake records so there could be an offender amongst the students.
But in fact the allegation about asylum seekers wasn't to do with any crime, but was about men from different cultures seeking sex.
And actually some of the students do just that. Some of the worst of those are from Saudi Arabia. They are men with money of course, so perhaps that is the difference.

*Granny Gravy
Llanelli is a quite deprived town and the hotel in question gave a lot of work to the area. It was a superior hotel and the place for weddings, celebrations etc. Many of the staff have now lost their jobs.
No consideration was given to the local people whatsoever. Is it any wonder they are protesting.

Callistemon21

GrannyGravy13

It was on the news this morning that another hotel has been closed, staff all lost their jobs in Llanelli (sp) in order to house migrants.

The locals are protesting and blocking the entrance to the hotel which is at the end of a private road.

I have an uneasy feeling that we will see a backlash against these desperate people who have fled from their homelands for their safety.

There seems to be no real, cohesive plan in place. Finding more and more places to "dump" asylum seekers is not the answer.
It does cause resentment, especially if people lose their jobs as a consequence, people's breaks are cancelled at short notice because a booked hotel is commissioned by the government to house migrants and nothing is in place so they are left, bored and bewildered, no jobs, nothing to do, to be prey to gang masters or wander around in groups, unnerving local people.

I think there is a plan but it involves getting someone else to take the blame for all the Tory government has done. Create a problem and then say you will sort it. Clever really.

Apologies if this has been mentioned before ( I’m flitting in and out today) but someone said on tv the amount of money being spent on the Rwanda scheme, which obviously isn’t working as a deterrent, could be better used to help provide accommodation or employ more people in processing migrants. And people don’t seem to realise that a lot of the money being used regarding migrants is coming from our overseas aid budget, which, under this government has already been drastically reduced.

If all the asylum claimants were allowed to stay so no backlog all cleared and if all the dinghies keep on coming 450 the otherday where are they going to live? Or do we just keep letting them in?

11:23MayBee70

The Rwanda scheme isn't in operation yet, when hopefully plane loads are being flown to Rwanda it will make some think twice of paying thousands of pounds to the criminal smuggling gangs to get here

Nicenanny3

11:23MayBee70

*The Rwanda scheme isn't in operation yet, when hopefully plane loads are being flown to Rwanda it will make some think twice of paying thousands of pounds to the criminal smuggling gangs to get here*

On 29 June 2023, the Court of Appeal ruled that the plan is unlawful. This reversed the High Court's decision on 19 December 2022 that the plan was lawful. It is likely this decision will be appealed, but in the meantime no asylum seekers can be sent to Rwanda.

Iam64

It’s an international problem. We need to speed our assessment process. I can’t support putting vulnerable people seeking refuge into such totally inappropriate ‘accommodation’

Well you can always house them yourself if you that concerned, they are living in tents in France and have travelled through many safe countries to get here. They walk around in groups of 8-9 and are very intimidating if you walking alone in broad daylight. Tell your local Mp you want them in your area because i don’t want them in mine but we didn’t get asked

Yes I know waiting for the Supreme Court judgement

^^Iam64

It’s an international problem. We need to speed our assessment process. I can’t support putting vulnerable people seeking refuge into such totally inappropriate ‘accommodation’

Absolutely this !! And is housing 500+ men together off the coast near a small town such a great idea ? I agree with “stop the boats”, but not for the reasons our esteemed govt gives, I don’t agree with the small boats bill or whatever it’s called - these migrants aren’t “illegals” they are asylum seekers entering the country illegally and my issue with it is it’s dangerous and the only winners are the traffickers and the French authorities.

Yes, we need a whole different, faster, fairer and efficient way of coping with migration whatever and whoever the source - come on govt rather than criminalising asylum seekers sort your house out !!

The cost of hiring and training temporary civil servants to assess asylum claims must be far less than the annual cost of hotels, barracks and barges so I think Braverman is deliberately keeping the assessment slow so as to have lots of unprocessed refugees to play the anti-immigrant card for electoral purposes. Of course Brexit is a contributory factor as leaving prevents the UK returning people to EU countries. Rwanda looks to be a distant dream.

Iam64, how do you know that these are " vulnerable people seeking refuge "?
I don't know, but would strongly suspect that the majority of these people may not have the best of homes, but are not in any danger. How far do you expect us to go? We are a charitable country, many of us willing to do what we can to help people in need, but there is a limit to what we can afford, especially as we are supporting Ukraine which is unquestionably in need of help.

Nicenanny3
I am in agreement with you. I don't have a problem with migrants that arrive here with passports seeking asylum, but this is a very small percentage.
I am not sure that you can believe 100% of the "facts" spouted by any proponents.
In my town we have at least 4 asylum seekers hotels. Two of them within a mile of each other. The clientele (can't say if they are genuine AS) are given food, lodgings, money and bicycles. They are ALL young men and now we see them walking or cycling between the two hotels having a lovely well-fed time while our food bank is overwhelmed.
These are facts!

Btw whilst I accept there’s been an uplift in the number of single males coming here, and some maybe economic migrants, though why they’d choose to get on an overcrowded dinghy is anyone’s guess, there’s zero evidence to show that they are sex-starved criminals ! Also why would asylum seekers not look well fed ? Very strange assertion/assumption that asylum seekers should look like concentration camp survivors. This govt has had more than a decade to resolve this situation and it’s simply got worse and worse ! Perhaps they need to send our border control officials and home office staff to Canada/USA/NZ/Oz for training as they manage to protect their much larger borders far better than us. Of course we cannot accept a limitless number of migrants whatever their reasons for wanting to come, but really what’s happened to the compassion and empathy this country showed to Jews during WW1. Given the state of our economy it’s no surprise that coupled with all the negative press constantly slating migrants of all kinds that the natives are getting restless !! Let’s remember this govt has constantly “broken” it’s own migration rules to suit their own agenda ie Casual farm workers, care workers etc etc

I so agree with you

Pinkpeony Actually in the hotels they are not normally given food, but a weekly personal allowance - normally around £46 for a single person, which is to buy all personal and hygiene products, including food and clothes, and of course no recourse to public funds, eg benefits, until they are both “processed” and granted leave to remain. It’s my understanding too that these hotels are overcrowded too. It’s an awful situation for all those concerned including local communities