Why dud Labour lose Uxbridge? Was it really because of ULEZ or some other reason?

Oreo

That would make more sense Katie59 cos you can’t just make deadlines without the support needed.
Which is why a deadline for no new petrol or diesel cars by seven years time seems undoable. Some things look good on paper but affect real lives in practice.

Plus a extra 5 yrs for hybrids.

But why did you report the scrappage scheme as Sadiq Khan 'backing down' Katie59?

Why should people who don’t live in London, who don’t contribute to London council tax get a subsidy paid for by Londoners? The subsidy should be paid for by central government for all if that was the case. I live in a ULEZ area and a huge fuss was made about it at the time and now everyone just gets on with it , plus it has made a difference to air quality. We have a 20 mph speed limit too. Why does everyone assume anyone who has a car is an entitled motorist we walk, cycle and use public transport as well.

MaizieD

But why did you report the scrappage scheme as Sadiq Khan 'backing down' Katie59?

Originally the scheme was for those on “certain benefits”
Now it’s open for all

Thanks for explainingKatie59

No one is talking about the success of the mitigation schemes brought in by Khan.

There is a report that outlines that, and available on-line.

The subsidy should be paid for by central government for all if that was the case.

That's what I thought when I read the post about people from outside complaining about the charge, vegansrock Local authorities, unlike the national government, do have a limited amount of money to spend. They can't afford to be providing services such as the scrappage scheme to out of area car owners

If the government were serious about the scheme pioneered by their former poster boy they would be doing something positive instead of weaponising it..

Whitewavemark2

No one is talking about the success of the mitigation schemes brought in by Khan.

There is a report that outlines that, and available on-line.

Wwmk2, please..... even if you can't do a link could you give us the report title so it's easier to search for?

Foxy Do not be so silly So because you can afford it, everybody can. Let them eat cake?

Any petrol car or van sold since 2006 will almost certainly be ULEZ-exempt. www.buyacar.co.uk/cars/economical-cars/low-emission-cars/1127/ulez-exempt-cars-vans-motorbikes-avoid-the-london-ulez

Two thirds of all petrol vehicles on the road are ULEZ compatible. A quick search of several car sales platforms, shows that it is possible to buy older ULEZ compatible cars for under £1,000.

Is paying under £1,000 for a car your definition of 'eating cake'? After deducting the insurance compensation I received for my scrapped car. My current car cost me £2,000. How much did your last car cost you?

Of course there will be people for whom the extension of the ULEZ zone will cause problems, but I do not see them as being in large enough numbers to have affected the result of this election because anyone driving a patrol car much under 20 years old will be driving a ULEZ compliant car anyway. It is those with large diesel powered Chelsea tractors, who will be most affected, and the owners of these do not, generally, fall into that much loved group used by so many, to justify, their anti-environmental views 'the poor'

I’m afraid you’re wasting your time MOnica. People don’t want facts they want to weaponise divisive issues for ideological, not factual purposes.

This is will be happening more frequently as the GE nears.

"Khan has been adamant the plan needs to go ahead given the significant public health consequences of vehicle pollution. But after failing to take Boris Johnson’s old seat of Uxbridge, Starmer and several of his team urged the Labour mayor to think again.

Both camps will hope the new proposals reduce the political pressure including attacks by Rishi Sunak’s government and many Tory MPs who argue the expansion is poorly timed given cost-of-living pressures.

The enhanced scrappage programme, which takes the previous £110m cost to £160m, the extra paid for out of city hall reserves, keeps the basic grant for a car or van at £2,000 but makes everyone in the city with a non-compliant vehicle eligible.

The £2,000 payments were previously only available to people who receive one of a series of benefits, including child benefit and universal credit.

Khan’s officials argue that £2,000 is a sufficient sum. They say one vehicle sales website showed almost 5,000 Ulez-compliant cars for sale for less within 200 miles of central London.

Sole traders and businesses with fewer than 50 staff can now claim up to £7,000 for each van they replace, up from £5,000, with up to three vans eligible. The previous sum of up to £7,000 for replacing a minibus rises to £9,000, again to a maximum of three. The grant to retrofit a van or minibus has risen from £5,000 to £6,000."

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/03/sadiq-khan-expands-london-ulez-grant-and-scrappage-scheme

MaizieD

Whitewavemark2

No one is talking about the success of the mitigation schemes brought in by Khan.

There is a report that outlines that, and available on-line.

Wwmk2, please..... even if you can't do a link could you give us the report title so it's easier to search for?

Yes I’ll look for it. I read these things then go onto something else then think about them when I look at threads.

Be back later.

Whitewavemark2

MaizieD

Whitewavemark2

No one is talking about the success of the mitigation schemes brought in by Khan.

There is a report that outlines that, and available on-line.

Wwmk2, please..... even if you can't do a link could you give us the report title so it's easier to search for?

Yes I’ll look for it. I read these things then go onto something else then think about them when I look at threads.

Be back later.

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I think Labour were over-confident that they would win. Hopefully the result will have taught them a lesson...listen to what voters want!

Right

It’s headed

“Inner London ULEZ expansion. One year report”

Curtaintwitcher

I think Labour were over-confident that they would win. Hopefully the result will have taught them a lesson...listen to what voters want!

But what the voters want is contradictory.

70+% are worried about the effects of climate change, but are not seemingly prepared to sacrifice anything uncomfortable in order to achieve mitigation.

What we need is good leadership, and education.

Found it. Thanks

www.london.gov.uk/programmes-strategies/environment-and-climate-change/environment-and-climate-change-publications/inner-london-ultra-low-emission-zone-expansion-one-year-report

Although I believe low emission zones are a good aim in cities, imposing it with no warning is completely unreasonable. Also although it’s publicized that petrol cars after 2006 are compliant, that is not true, there are many models produced up to 2012 that are not Euro 6, that’s not including diesels.
Anyone relying on a car for work, shopping or taking the kids to school could easily be paying £200 a month.

I thought petrol cars only had to be Euro 4.

There is clear evidence from this report that ULEZ is effective in reducing air pollution, which is adversely affecting the health of many of the population, importantly children.

I think Keir Starmer should have given Sadiq Khan his backing and can’t understand why he wavered on this issue, and neither can many erstwhile Labour supporters.

That’s my understanding too. It’s Euro 6 for diesels.

That was to growstuff.

What is going to happen to all the scrap cars and vans, doesn't sound very green to me, old tyres, old radios, old seating, etc obviously some will be recycled but where shipped abroad. Landfill?

Nicenanny3

What is going to happen to all the scrap cars and vans, doesn't sound very green to me, old tyres, old radios, old seating, etc obviously some will be recycled but where shipped abroad. Landfill?

And old fridges, washing machines, televisions, old clothes on and on.

We are trashing the planet.

Too much stuff.

if my memory is correct, the poor air quality was blamed in a coroners report for the death of a young girl. Many "poor" people have no access to private vehicles and reply on foot or public transport. as somebody has pointed out that most cars in the last 10 years or so should meet the emissions requirements as per the MOT so how many cars are really that poor? if so how do they get through the MOT?