Why dud Labour lose Uxbridge? Was it really because of ULEZ or some other reason?

The inner city is largely populated by the working class, in areas of concentrated vehicle use.

The wealthy tend to live in areas of less vehicle density and have frequently access to rural retreats.

Nicenanny3

What is going to happen to all the scrap cars and vans, doesn't sound very green to me, old tyres, old radios, old seating, etc obviously some will be recycled but where shipped abroad. Landfill?

A quick google tells me that vehicles can be pretty efficiently scrapped, some 95% being recyclable apparently.

Whether the materials extracted are actually reused in the UK or are shipped abroad google doesn't say...

growstuff

I thought petrol cars only had to be Euro 4.

You are correct it is Euro 4 for petrol I was misled by other reports

Sometimes a Government has to show leadership rather than just cave in to what some voters want.
How many of us or those we know have COPD or asthma why don't we think a bit more about them.
I think Sadiq Khan was right to go ahead with this, and also right to consider how he can best help people to convert their means of transport to clean our air for the benefit of all, and particularly those with lung conditions.

Well, if Khan were to use the money raised to give to owners of old cars in order to buy newer ones it would be fine.He won’t do tho, the most they can hope for is about £2,000 .
This will raise money for London but won’t do a lot for clean air as the most polluting cars will still have to travel around for work school and other reasons ( hospital visits say).It’s a ill thought out idea put into action too soon.

I agree Ilovecheeese and if we think we are seriously going to affect climate change without major adjustments, instead of tinkering around the edges, we will have to cope with much more, with a hit to our standard of living too.

I think the government should put in mitigating factors to help the poorest to cope, but it’s not the Tory style to do so. Nor Labour’s either it is becoming increasingly apparent.

Oreo

Well, if Khan were to use the money raised to give to owners of old cars in order to buy newer ones it would be fine.He won’t do tho, the most they can hope for is about £2,000 .
This will raise money for London but won’t do a lot for clean air as the most polluting cars will still have to travel around for work school and other reasons ( hospital visits say).It’s a ill thought out idea put into action too soon.

Read the report.

Whatever the UK does can’t possibly do much towards climate change in the world.
Doesn’t mean we can’t do anything we should def do some things but it has to be well planned before putting into action and not just hitting the poorest in society.Khan doesn’t seem to care and is looking increasingly like a rabbit in the headlights.

All the metal can be recycled as can rare minerals from various parts of the engine. Tyres can also be shredded and used in road making and repairing

8 million cars are scrapped every year across the UK. The average age of a car that is scrapped is 15 years. From 2015, the End of Life Vehicle Directive determined that the industry must ensure that 95% of each vehicle by weight is re-used, recovered or recycled. This was 85% previously.
www.cartakeback.com/blog/in-the-know/recycling-week-10-car-components-that-can-be-recycled/

The same applies to white goods, almost entirely metal. Don't be doom laden about things until you have checked the facts.

Whitewavemark2

Oreo

Well, if Khan were to use the money raised to give to owners of old cars in order to buy newer ones it would be fine.He won’t do tho, the most they can hope for is about £2,000 .
This will raise money for London but won’t do a lot for clean air as the most polluting cars will still have to travel around for work school and other reasons ( hospital visits say).It’s a ill thought out idea put into action too soon.

Read the report.

I have done.
Car scrappage is £2,000 that won’t help much in buying a newer car!

WWM2 In cities like London, high house prices and high rents mean that the residents are far more likely to be wealthy than not as those on lower incomes cannot afford to live there unless they are in properties where housing costs are subsidised or restricted in some way . Council or Housing Association properties.

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

Oreo

Well, if Khan were to use the money raised to give to owners of old cars in order to buy newer ones it would be fine.He won’t do tho, the most they can hope for is about £2,000 .
This will raise money for London but won’t do a lot for clean air as the most polluting cars will still have to travel around for work school and other reasons ( hospital visits say).It’s a ill thought out idea put into action too soon.

Read the report.

I have done.
Car scrappage is £2,000 that won’t help much in buying a newer car!

See Monica's post at 8.32 today.

Nicenanny3

What is going to happen to all the scrap cars and vans, doesn't sound very green to me, old tyres, old radios, old seating, etc obviously some will be recycled but where shipped abroad. Landfill?

All parts stripped down and sold on I heard someone on the radio say.

M0nica

WWM2 In cities like London, high house prices and high rents mean that the residents are far more likely to be wealthy than not as those on lower incomes cannot afford to live there unless they are in properties where housing costs are subsidised or restricted in some way . Council or Housing Association properties.

Are you serious?!
In any case have you seen how many boroughs are affected or shortly will be.
There are tons of houses of multiple occupancy in London plus bedsits, these people are not wealthy.Do you know London? Sounds as if you don’t and that you live in a green and leafy suburb or village somewhere.

Labour should have had a massive win in Uxbridge, it’s solely ULEZ that lost the seat for them.

M0nica

WWM2 In cities like London, high house prices and high rents mean that the residents are far more likely to be wealthy than not as those on lower incomes cannot afford to live there unless they are in properties where housing costs are subsidised or restricted in some way . Council or Housing Association properties.

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Wealthy?
Are you including teachers, nurses, shop workers, tradespeople, care workers, social workers, bus and train drivers, postal workers, road workers, telephone engineers and workers in hospitality ?
Many of these will need their own transport because of anti social hours too.
And as for subsidised housing,I think you must have a very limited view of who qualifies for social housing or indeed the quantity of it.
Council housing? What’s that?
And just as a rule of thumb, high rents tend to mean less disposable income, not more and in order to meet high rents or mortgage repayments most couple will both have jobs, sometimes even supplementing their wages with evening work.
Life must be very different in your affluent backwater.

I couldn’t agree more Foxy. The City and inner London rely so much on these poorly paid workers in service industries. Who cleans the offices, pubs etc, supplies and works in the sandwich shops and pubs? There are so many unseen but vital low paid workers who have to travel through ULEZ to earn their daily crust and provide the services that the far better off expect. I used to work in the City and realise just how many people from what is intended to be a ULEZ we all relied on.

Every time I read the title of this thread, I stop after "Why dud Labour...?" because there's your answer

And not even just those in the service industries. I used to get the Inner London supplement when I taught for ILEA but that would not cover the difference in mortgage for a London priced house even in a very unsmart Borough.
Things must look very different in Chiantshire.

Foxy what are you talking about? You completely misunderstood my post. I was saying the exact opposite of what you think I said. It is clear you do not like me, but please do not let your prejdices lead to you completely distort what I say.

What I said was that people in ordinary jobs on ordinary wages cannot afford to live in London, it is an area where no household with an income of less than £100,000 can afford to live. nearly all the people in all those professions you mention have to live outside the London conurbation and commute in. Many cannot afford to drive in either, because of the cost of parking, which is why I said the majority of people likely to be hit by ULEZ are wealthy people who drive diesel fuelled Chelsea tractors.

WWM2 In cities like London, high house prices and high rents mean that the residents are far more likely to be wealthy than not as those on lower incomes cannot afford to live there unless they are in properties where housing costs are subsidised or restricted in some way
If you did not mean this you should not have said it. Your words are quite unequivocal.
My SIL has a diesel, NOT a 4x4 or Chelsea tractor (that I itself was a bit of a cliche) and it has to be an estate because as Studio Manager for a well known conceptual artist he frequently has to ferry biggish pieces around. and a diesel for the mileage because he needs it to drive to Suffolk where he works 3 days each week, the rest of the week in a very ordinary house in Walthamstow.
But you choose to quote stereotypes - “wealthy or needing social housing”.
I still think your version is woefully over generalised and further, as I do not know you I can neither like nor dislike you.
But I do take issue with what you are saying.

Monica you don’t have a clue about living in London. It’s a very big place! There are tons of people living there with incomes nowhere near £100,000. Not everyone lives in Mayfair or Chelsea.I’m a Londoner born and bred so I know a thing or two about the place.
As Foxygloves says people travel from all areas of London to get to their work.Walthamstow is E17 for instance and tho prices of houses and for rent have gone up all over, you can still live there, or nearby Tottenham and not be a big earner by any means.
Just admit you don’t know all there is to know about people who live and work in London.

Having worked (but not lived) in London for years, I have to say you don’t know what you’re talking about, MOnica. So many people who the wealthy residents or the commuting professionals depend upon live in the ULEZ. Many are those unseen workers who work unsocial hours and rely on their own transpor. They are poorly paid and struggle to make ends meet as it is.

I live in the current Ulez. Most people travel to work by public transport. Those who drive- the vast majority have compliant cars/ vans. If a small business faces higher charges like our gardeners, they up their bill so the customer pays or they get a new van which they offset against tax. Chelsea tractors owned by the yummy mummies are nearly all compliant as they tend to be the latest model. If this forces people to gradually switch to cleaner vehicles all well and good. Don’t tell me the tories are weeping over the poor- they stirred it up so many believed that everyone would have to pay.

You don’t know what everyone does vegansrock and for a start many parents get their kids to school by car because they have to. Looking at cars the other day out of interest ( at the reg) ever so many are really old.
Why do you think Labour didn’t win Uxbridge?