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Why dud Labour lose Uxbridge? Was it really because of ULEZ or some other reason?

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Dinahmo Thu 03-Aug-23 08:42:48

I've just read the following article in the Guardian with the writer's ideas about why Labour lost. He contends that it wasn't ULEZ, it was rather more because of the way in which the LP parachuted in a candidate rather than listening to the local party.

It makes for interesting read, especially for those worried about Labour not winning.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/aug/03/uxbridge-brexit-tories-anti-green-labour-local

MerylStreep Sat 05-Aug-23 22:59:44

These figures give the true picture of London wealth/ poverty.

trustforlondon.org.uk/data/poverty-borough/

vegansrock Sat 05-Aug-23 23:17:27

oreoThe tories retained Uxbridge as they stirred up fear that everyone will soon have to pay to drive, which actually isn’t the case. They made it a single issue . It’s not the age of the car that’s important btw so you can’t go by registrations- many older cars are actually compliant - my Sil has a 14 year old Audi that is compliant, and my neighbour has a Fiat that is at least 10 years old that is ok - it’s about emissions.

Ilovecheese Sat 05-Aug-23 23:33:19

You are right vegansrock but I think Labour should take some responsibility because they didn't explain the policy properly.

DiamondLily Sun 06-Aug-23 08:02:52

Ilovecheese

Sometimes a Government has to show leadership rather than just cave in to what some voters want.
How many of us or those we know have COPD or asthma why don't we think a bit more about them.
I think Sadiq Khan was right to go ahead with this, and also right to consider how he can best help people to convert their means of transport to clean our air for the benefit of all, and particularly those with lung conditions.

On a personal level, I have COPD/Asthma, as well as a damaged lung, courtesy of catching Legionnaire's disease many moons ago.

I have no more trouble breathing in my leafy London suburb than I did when we lived in a village, in the wilds, of Sussex.

Central London, maybe. Here, none.

Yet, residents or users of this borough will have to pay, if they have non compliant cars.

The only problems here is that too many cars are being forced onto singular roads because of LTN rules.

ULEZ won't directly affect me, because I can't drive, and due to mobility issues, I cannot use public transport, and have to use taxis or Uber.

But, it will affect me if a workman or a deliverer has to pay, because costs will be passed on.

This is Khan's cash cow to prop up TFL and Crossrail.🙁

MaizieD Sun 06-Aug-23 08:35:21

This is Khan's cash cow to prop up TFL and Crossrail.🙁

Are you saying that supporting public transport is a Bad Thing, DiamondLily?

How strange...

M0nica Sun 06-Aug-23 08:58:33

Oreo Household incomes, not individual. Rents are so high in London that many may be on low incomes after housing costs, who are not before them.

I visit London regularly and looking in any estate agents window, looking at house prices in the part of London I grew up in and where DD lived, shows quite clearly how expensive housing is. I have been told, unverified, that many of the workers at Heathrow come in from Swindon each day.

DD bought an ex-council flat in Lewisham in 1993. Flats in the block now sell for 10 times what she paid. We bought a house near Oxford at much the same time. Our house is worth 4 times what we paid for it. Yet we too live in a high housing cost area, where many people struggle to afford housing.

When DS worked in Oxford he said you could tell the age of people in his company by where they lived. Those nearing retirement lived in Oxford, his contemporaries, in their 30s, were also commuting in from Swindon

Oreo Sun 06-Aug-23 11:05:55

I don’t want to argue about London Monica you obvs feel you know it better than I do.
It was your comment that only wealthy people live in London that I and others took issue with, and I know this is far from the truth of the matter.
Let’s leave it.

Dinahmo Sun 06-Aug-23 20:50:50

For those who are concerned about the disposal of tyres, here's a link to an article about earth ships, some of which are made from earth filled tyres. Very attractive some of them.

www.google.com/search?q=earthships+made+of+tyres&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=AB5stBijxNOYG9V9C3_zgedIz62cw8f3YA%253A1691350887328&ei=Z_fPZNvQE9euhbIP1bKt4A

Apologies for the mis-spell in the OP

DiamondLily Mon 07-Aug-23 07:28:32

MaizieD

^This is Khan's cash cow to prop up TFL and Crossrail.🙁^

Are you saying that supporting public transport is a Bad Thing, DiamondLily?

How strange...

No, I'm not. It's already heavily subsidised with taxpayer cash.

It needs to be managed better .

Dinahmo Tue 08-Aug-23 15:45:15

For those who would like to see ULEZ changed/cancelled and don't seem to understand how the local pollution can affect lungs, particularly those of children here is a report from the Guardian about air pollution being linked to antibiotic resistance:

www.theguardian.com/society/2023/aug/07/air-pollution-linked-rise-antibiotic-resistance-imperils-human-health?utm_term=64d1bdd18ab6ada537ca202b39aa5ce7&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTUK_email

Farzanah Tue 08-Aug-23 17:18:00

👍 Dinahmo

M0nica Wed 09-Aug-23 09:10:37

Has anyone said they want ULEZ changed or cancelled?