Lee Anderson, Conservative deputy chair says asylum seekers should ‘fuck off back to France’ if they don’t want to be housed on the Bobby Stockholm barge

The Kinder transport scheme was organised by do gooders and probably bleeding heart lefty lawyers you know. Those of you who just don't get it; have a look at some of the front pages of the Daily Mail of that period. Sickening

Primrose - googled the figures"

"*According to the UK's Home Office*, France receives a much larger number of asylum seekers than Britain – around 113,000 in the year ending March 2022, compared to some 67,000 in the UK Those who arrive in France are to be found scattered across many different parts of the country, with many of them choosing to remain".

On the new tonight a UN report reveals that numbers of refugees from conflict (just think of appalling matters in the Yemen as well as many parts of Africa)

Turning the boats around will not impact on this, and is it surprising, given that France takes a lot more refugees than us, the boats onctinue?

Much larger solutions are needed.

Correct half finished paragraph

"On the new tonight a UN report reveals that numbers of refugees from conflict are rapidly rising (just think of appalling matters in the Yemen as well as many parts of Africa)

Urmstongran

^Maybe if the Government paid attention to the backlog of Asylum applications and did something about that instead of venting fury at Asylum seekers and shovelling all that money into meaner and meaner methods of incarceration we would get closer to sorting out this problem^

I read POW1 that this is what is happening (at long bluddy last). Sunak says thousands have now been processed, extra staff drafted in to deal with the backlog of claims and by the end of this year will be up to date. I will check this claim in a few months. If I find it not to be so, I’m not voting Tory in the GE next year.

I think someone may have been gaslighting you Urmston.

The number of annual asylum applications has increased: it rose 160% between Q4 2017 and Q4 2022 (from 26,764 to 72,027). But in the same period the backlog increased to five times its size. The House of Commons Home Affairs Select Committee (HASC) has concluded that the slow processing of applications has been a bigger driver in increases to the backlog than the increase in the number of applications themselves.

(Source: ) www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/article/explainer/asylum-backlog

You may, or course, have a source of more recent data. The reason for the slow down appears to ge the down grading of the level of people processing them. A lot of the problems seem to be the government, yet again, wanting cheap labour.

The new recruits, hired through online advertising and high street recruitment agencies, have no prior experience or knowledge of the asylum system. Many are placed on rolling, temporary contracts, typically for three months. Despite being promised comprehensive training, decision-makers report being “left to fend for themselves” after two days, and having to conduct complex interviews and make “life or death” decisions.

(Source: Observer November 2022)

maddyone

Just to remind those who quote the Kinder Transport, the humanitarian plan which rescued Jewish children from Hitler’s gas chambers.
10,000 children came to the UK from several European countries to escape the Nazis. Children note, not their parents. Their parents weren’t allowed, sadly. Most of their parents were killed by the Nazis.
We currently have approximately 50,000, predominantly young men, in hotel accommodation. Young men!
There is the difference between the Kinder Transport and today’s migrants.
I don’t know, but maybe public opinion might be different if it was 10,000 children fleeing from certain death, to 50,000 young men, fleeing from we don’t know what, because most of them have thrown their documents away on the instructions of the traffickers.
Incidentally, Britain agreed to the 10,000 children’s arrival, as it agreed to the 150,000 people who have come from Hong Kong in the last few years, and as it agreed to the 163,000 people who came from Ukraine.
Britain is not a racist country.

Don't forget the Ugandan Asians either, some of whom are our friends who arrived as children, and have contributed hugely to this country.

MerylStreep

Winterwhite
showed two two- tier bunks to a room with very little space between them
It’s actually more room than our brave submariners defending our country have.
Even less room if your serving on a nuclear sub.

Hot bed routine on board nuclear subs, I am told.
By one who served on them.

HousePlantQueen

The Kinder Transport was organised by Nicholas Winton.

Thank you Callistemon the Ugandans too.
And thousands upon thousands of others.
Britain is not a racist country.

Presumably if you are on a nuclear sub you have volunteered for that role, it’s your job, and are getting paid. You also know how long you will be on that particular exercise and will then have leave at home. Not comparable.

I'm torn between thinking current check procedures are essential, and allowing the refugees to get working straightaway, at least in jobs where they are supervised and not in contact with children and vulnerable people. Work gives people self esteem and choices, and I think many of them would then head for larger conurbations which are more diverse in terms of culture and race, and better suited to their needs. At least then they wouldn't be inactive. On the other hand, it's a very cushy number for them to be in a nice small town, everything provided, no commitment, no stress and no responsibility while my own children are often working 9 hour days, travelling an hour either side, running a home and contributing to society in many ways.

Anyone else think the government are stirring up this anti migrant rhetoric as it’s the only thing they can appeal to the lowest common denominator voter? If they campaigned on their record on the economy, the health service, transport , education, then no one in their right mind would vote for them.

21:38Primrose53
My solution would be don’t even let them enter our country. Turn the dinghies back to France and make France actually do something for the millions we have given them.

I agree Primrose turn the boats back

vegansrock

Anyone else think the government are stirring up this anti migrant rhetoric as it’s the only thing they can appeal to the lowest common denominator voter? If they campaigned on their record on the economy, the health service, transport , education, then no one in their right mind would vote for them.

Of course!

We have a thread on this very subject - we know that this is the way the government plant to fight the next election- by “othering” others and fighting a culture war.

People are led by the nose every time😄

The truth of it is that the Tories have lost control either through a deliberate policy (which I believe) or through incompetence (which is highly likely) but either way they are not dealing with the issue, other than using speech that incites violence and lies which spreads fear amongst the unthinking.

Diane Abbott is slammed after saying migrants who drowned off Italy have 'indeed f*** off... to the bottom of the sea' in response to Lee Anderson's comments about asylum seekers refusing to board the Bibby Stockholm barge (Copied from The Daily Mail) 🤔

The weird thing is that all of us contributing to this thread want this issue resolved whichever way.

But we are not going to get resolve from this government

So we are fighting a common enemy, but from different sides and neither side will get any satisfaction from Sunak - guaranteed 100%.

Me neither. the vast majority of your 'circles', not mine. Do I remember corrrectly that you were a paid member of Farage's 'party'?

I’m not talking about ‘my circles’ I’m talking about the country as a whole. And yes, I’m pretty certain the majority of the country agree with him.
Of course I don’t know that for sure, but then neither do you.
And as for me being ‘a paid up member of Farage’s party’. Do you mean UKIP? the party who got us out of the EU? The party millions of us agreed with? The party who changed UK history? You make an entirely legal party sound like some banned underground movement 😂
But just so you know ( & so you can update your notes ). I’ve never been a paid up member of any political party, not that it’s any of your business.

Kandinsky

*Me neither. the vast majority of your 'circles', not mine. Do I remember corrrectly that you were a paid member of Farage's 'party'?*

I’m not talking about ‘my circles’ I’m talking about the country as a whole. And yes, I’m pretty certain the majority of the country agree with him.
Of course I don’t know that for sure, but then neither do you.
And as for me being ‘a paid up member of Farage’s party’. Do you mean UKIP? the party who got us out of the EU? The party millions of us agreed with? The party who changed UK history? You make an entirely legal party sound like some banned underground movement 😂
But just so you know ( & so you can update your notes ). I’ve never been a paid up member of any political party, not that it’s any of your business.

62% think the government should let more asylum seekers into the U.K.

Only 9% agree with Farage.

Reported today, Italy has had 93,000 migrants so far this year, they are calling it an invasion and asking how long should it be allowed.

Le Camp des Saints, 1973

Anderson’s comment has neither power or validity

France receives a much larger number of asylum seekers than Britain – around 113,000 in the year ending March 2022

Please look at the size of France on a map or globe and take note that it's a much bigger country than Britain. There can be no comparison.

Maddy one you say Britain is not a racist country but look at some of the posts on here, which if not explicitly racist come across as verging towards.

Oreo

The thing is, granting them leave to do paid work has it’s problems, do they speak and understand English well enough?
Since they would probably be joining a workforce with women in it are they safe people to have around as we know little about either their culture or their possible criminality?
A lot of migrants destroy their ID and any papers and often claim a different nationality to their true one.
The only thing I agree on is a drive towards faster processing of claims.If they are humanely treated on barges or in renovated military camps then that’s good enough.

People waiting to have applications processed should work. Many come here because English is spoken in their country of origin
Is there any evidence that asylum seeking men pose more of a threat to women than home grown men. So far as I can see, no there is not.

It seems all posters believe we need to process claims speedily. Open borders isn’t the solution. Neither is suggesting ‘they’ stop in the first safe country. Italy/Greece take so many, other European countries take more than we do.

The question about why young single men arrive has been answered so often, it’s not worth responding to.

Kandinsky
I wonder how many of us are in that book.

Sparklefizz

^France receives a much larger number of asylum seekers than Britain – around 113,000 in the year ending March 2022^

Please look at the size of France on a map or globe and take note that it's a much bigger country than Britain. There can be no comparison.

The population density of Britain is 274.9 per sq km. and of France 123.7 per sq km. Our population density is more than twice that of France.

Asylum seekers can apply to work after 12 months. That is on the proviso that the delay was no fault of theirs.