Lee Anderson, Conservative deputy chair says asylum seekers should ‘fuck off back to France’ if they don’t want to be housed on the Bobby Stockholm barge

Absolutely agree with you.

I blame the idiots who voted these people in, Labour have a great plan, assess people before they get on a small boat, it means increasing border control staff in Calais but those who are offered a place could simply get on P&O ferry, no small boats required so the criminal gangs that run them would be out of a job.
The current gov are engineering this problem cos it's the only thing they can boast about pre election, they can hardly say they've done wonders with the NHS, Police, Education can they? Even though they spend more money on the NHS because they use private companies the shareholders expect a payout, and a healthy one too. Send the NHS back to how it was with funding like that and we'd have a 1st class system. However they do it, I'm voting Labour for the NHS, they started it, they can fix it, our NHS needs you!

Nana54
I’ve been tempted on many an occasion!

teachkate

^^^^^^Urmstongran
Well I think he speaks for the silent majority in this country. Decent, clean basic accommodation and 3 meals a day? Gym use. Free buses into Weymouth. Doctor and dentist on call. Pocket money. A mobile phone. A games room and library.

What did these migrants expect? Hotel bed and board? That’s what they’ve been hearing from their mates. It’s time to make being over here clean but basic so that a few phone calls back across the Channel put some migrants off paying extortionate fees to traffickers. We are such a soft touch. France laughs at our naïveté.

It’s time we in the UK woke up. £6 million PER DAY this is costing the taxpayer here. Yes, decent living quarters ought to be provided. But these migrants (assisted by Care4Calais and lawyers whose best interests are served by thwarting all proposals - money in their coffers by keeping this roundabout turning) need a reality check.

He certainly doesn’t speak for me nor offer my thoughts - by an accident of birth we all sit in judgement of these desperate refugees - ‘there but for the grace of God’ - we live in a free civilised country and should offer help to others

Why are they desperate? How many safe countries have they passed through?

He speaks for me. Perhaps the language comes from his Labour roots.

Why is the government not immediately starting a recruitment and training programme for the processing system?

We've all agreed it is needed

We've all agreed it takes time, you can't magically produce workers

We've agreed that it takes 3 years here compared to named EU countries

We've known quite well the problems has been accumulating for several years

So why oh why are they not starting NOW?

apart from the swear word i do agree with him why are they refusing to on board a tethered ship beside a dock where they have a room and three meals a day and pocket money which is a lot more than our homeless and older people are offered also better accommodation than alot of our military and their families are living in

Chocolate loving gran, but do you think he would have the airtime if he hadn’t used used it. It was borne out of frustration, I don’t think the politicians realise the strength of feeling about this and before I get roasted I believe in managed immigration but not these young fit men who throw their details away and expect to get the handouts straight away

Chocolatelovinggran

Frustration can be expressed without the use of foul language Primrose.

That's right - you could just stamp on someone's back and miss the rest of the Women's World Cup

I've seen much worse language on GN and MN

@MaizieD - Yes, yes, yes!

^^^^Urmstongran
Well I think he speaks for the silent majority in this country. Decent, clean basic accommodation and 3 meals a day? Gym use. Free buses into Weymouth. Doctor and dentist on call. Pocket money. A mobile phone. A games room and library.

What did these migrants expect? Hotel bed and board? That’s what they’ve been hearing from their mates. It’s time to make being over here clean but basic so that a few phone calls back across the Channel put some migrants off paying extortionate fees to traffickers. We are such a soft touch. France laughs at our naïveté.

It’s time we in the UK woke up. £6 million PER DAY this is costing the taxpayer here. Yes, decent living quarters ought to be provided. But these migrants (assisted by Care4Calais and lawyers whose best interests are served by thwarting all proposals - money in their coffers by keeping this roundabout turning) need a reality check.

He certainly doesn’t speak for me nor offer my thoughts - by an accident of birth we all sit in judgement of these desperate refugees - ‘there but for the grace of God’ - we live in a free civilised country and should offer help to others

I have read the first couple of pages of this thread and I am disgusted. Disgusted , but not surprised by the language of the yobbish Anderson ( thrown out of the Labour party, by the way), but disgusted by the hypocrisy of those on here who were going on and on about the use of 'scum' by Angela Rayner, but suddenly are applauding and excusing the language of Anderson because he is 'frustrated'. Disgusted by the lack of empathy, disgusted by the ease with which so many of you jump on the bandwagon. Disgusted that so many of you think that the dire dreadful state of this country is down to a few desperate people off the shore of Dorset.

As for those of you quick to swallow the nonsense and lies about 'left lawyers' and do gooders' and 'charities'.....well, I hope none of you need their help in any way soon.

You should be ashamed of yourselves. Grown adults, supposedly with critical thinking ability and you are all responding to the dog whistle lies of your so called betters.

Those of you bravely trying to get the other side across, thank you.

the rest of you should be, but wont, hang your heads. Sometime soon, you do realise, it will be you, pensioners, or sick, or disabled, those no economically active, who will be told to 'fuck off'. Lee Anderson is just the first to express what your so called government think of us.

Even if it was possible to fast track asylum applications, it doesn’t solve the problems of where to house them, or too few GPs, too few medical facilities, too few school places, too many cars and gas boilers producing too much pollution. The problem isn’t these particular migrants, it’s too many people trying to get into a country that hasn’t got the facilities for the people already here, let alone hundreds of thousands more every year.
Has anyone read the threads on trying to get a GP appointment?

Casdon
I understand what you’re saying, and in emergencies and where people are in hospital, then it’s needs must, but in private residential homes, there’s no excuse for personal care not to be provided by the sex preferred. And in these homes, the men are very much outnumbered by the female residents.

Anniebach

Yes Callistemon I have not commented on this thread until today, I am not listening to tory lies, I know there is a serious shortage of carers and lived in a situation where I couldn’t have a hot meal, to hear someone complain their living accommodation was too small !

I thought that's what you meant, Anniebach.

The problem is, we don't know if Labour's plans would work better. It's easy to claim what you would do in theory but the reality is often different. Where would they find the people to carry out all the fast-tracking? They would need to be thoroughly trained; inexperienced, poorly trained staff rushing through the enormous backlog could make many mistakes.

policymogul.com/key-updates/27360/yvette-cooper-illegal-migration-bill-statement-and-labour-s-five-point-plan-to-reform-the-asylum-system

Yes Callistemon I have not commented on this thread until today, I am not listening to tory lies, I know there is a serious shortage of carers and lived in a situation where I couldn’t have a hot meal, to hear someone complain their living accommodation was too small !

maddyone

Casdon
As you worked in the NHS I find it difficult that you really think that personal care should be provided by the opposite sex, regardless of the patient/resident’s opinion. Some people are quite happy, but others are not. My own mother was one of those who did not want personal care provided by a man. Resident’s needs and preferences should always be respected where possible. It’s called dignity. My mother could do almost nothing for herself in the last few months, and so it was entirely correct that her dignity was respected in the way she preferred.

Care is routinely provided by people of the opposite sex in the NHS maddyone. People are able to state a preference if they prefer not to have a person of the opposite sex to provide personal care - but it’s much more difficult for men to have their wishes carried out on wards because most nurses are female.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2 Not just The Tories the Labour Party have not ruled out using barges and barracks to house refugees/asylum seekers.

So you prefer to accept the words of those you must know by now lie to you, and make poor attempts to criticise Labour telling you that, when they take office, things will not change overnight.

Did you really think they would?

Germanshepherdsmum

I know your situation Annie, but I doubt many women needing care would want it to be provided by a man.

I don't think Anniebach meant that, Germanshepherdsmum.
I took it that she meant she wasn't get the care she needed, even a cooked main meal in winter, and was comparing her situation to that of asylum seekers on the barge, with 3 good meals a day, trips out etc.

I might be wrong.

Actually I think your post was pretty clear Whitewave and it undoubtedly lacks empathy.
Please don’t try to insinuate that the reader is too unintelligent to understand what you meant.
You have clearly realised that you have slipped below the bar with that comment.
As I said previously, it’s not like you to display a lack of empathy.

Exactly what did you mean then Whitewave?

Anniebach

Whitewave you have no idea how vulnerable many elderly are in this country if you can ask ‘what century are you living in’

I assumed wrongly as it turned out that the reader would have understood that intimate care for both men and women are a different issue, but apparently not.

I clearly should have spelled it out.

Sparklefizz

We can't save the whole world however empathetic we feel. We don't have a large enough country for a start.

I remember being told when I was a child that

you cannot save all the starfish on the beach but to save one is better than saving none

I agree with Fleurpepper that many men have no choice, but that does not mean that choice should be removed where it is possible to give a choice. There were male and female carers in my mother’s home and therefore a choice was possible.

MaizieD

^I am not against genuine refugees, I am totally against the people traffickers and those who destroy their papers before entering the U.K.^

Oh please. There is a mixture of genuine and not genuine asylum seekers on the boats, and they are there because, apart from those from the very few favoured, countries there are no safe routes for them.

We cannot tell which are which until their applications have been processed. Their applications are not being processed in a timely manner. They could be, if there was the political will to do so.

Until such time as this is done people are making judgements which they do not have the competence to make. But are being encouraged to think the very worst by the government and the right wing media.

I thank heaven that fewer people are taken in by this than the government think will be.

MaizieD like I said upthread, once you have known genuine refugees it changes one’s mindset.

They were humbled and grateful for the chance of a new life and to continue their education, no moans and groans, makes you wonder what some others are being told about life in the U.K. ?

Casdon
As you worked in the NHS I find it difficult that you really think that personal care should be provided by the opposite sex, regardless of the patient/resident’s opinion. Some people are quite happy, but others are not. My own mother was one of those who did not want personal care provided by a man. Resident’s needs and preferences should always be respected where possible. It’s called dignity. My mother could do almost nothing for herself in the last few months, and so it was entirely correct that her dignity was respected in the way she preferred.