Lee Anderson, Conservative deputy chair says asylum seekers should ‘fuck off back to France’ if they don’t want to be housed on the Bobby Stockholm barge

GSM I was responding to GrannyGravy’s post re the vunerable elderly , i experienced not being able to have cooked meals and this until last December

I only know what Lee Anderson said through Gransnet. I hadn’t seen it reported anywhere, so I enlisted the help of Mr Google. Some news outlets reported it by saying he said go back to France, but at least one gave us the full comment.
I don’t believe it is acceptable for government ministers to swear in the terms he used. But many people including myself agree with the sentiment. It is not racism, it is common sense. We don’t have the infrastructure, but in any case, the supply is never ending. We took 660,000 people legally in the last year and about 50,000 who arrived via the boats. That’s over 700,000 people in one year. And for the umpteenth time, we have insufficient housing, school places, GPs, medical facilities, doctors, midwives, or nurses, and we have too many cars and apparently too many gas boilers creating too much pollution.
There has to be joined up thinking on this, not emotional cries of it’s racism. Others have pointed out our duties to our own old, disabled, and war veterans, and we also have these duties towards our new arrivals who also need all these services too. Some of our new arrivals work in the areas quoted but the majority do not. Many are students who are allowed to bring their families with them. All need the services, which will only stretch so far. This illegal migration cannot go on forever, and please don’t try to convince me it’s not illegal. It is. Our resources will not stretch forever.

I know your situation Annie, but I doubt many women needing care would want it to be provided by a man.

Why are the Tory party so reluctant to process the applications. Apparently it takes 6 months in Germany and 3 years in this country.

Whitewavemark2

The good thing as far as I am concerned is that the opinion reflected on this site is not a reflection of the country as a whole.

You gov August 8th..

Should Britain allow people fleeing persecution or war in other countries to come and live in Britain?

62% say that we should allow more or the present number into the country.

17% less

13% don’t know

9% none.

It heartens me to understand that what I see on this thread does not remotely reflect what people think in the U.K., and bears out what I hear amongst friends and family.

I have friends who are actively involved in helping refugees and what they see and hear makes you weep.

I agree about their stories, they are heartbreaking.

I am not against genuine refugees, I am totally against the people traffickers and those who destroy their papers before entering the U.K.

How is any Government whatever its colour going to magic out of thin air houses for them when there are not enough for our own citizens.

The refugees/asylum seekers/economic migrants obviously think that Barges and Barracks seem a better option than tents in the Calais Jungle.

Agree GSM

Germanshepherdsmum

I know your situation Annie, but I doubt many women needing care would want it to be provided by a man.

Are you aware of the law? My mother was cared for by a man occasionally and she had zero problem with it. I have a nurse next door to me who is a male.

What century are you living in?

Germanshepherdsmum

I know your situation Annie, but I doubt many women needing care would want it to be provided by a man.

Indeed. When my mother was in care for the last year of her life, she needed some extremely personal care providing, and she made her views clear to the staff, and it was respected totally. She was happy to receive non personal care from men ie meals delivered, coffee provided, wheelchair pushed.
Had she been unable to make her own needs clear, I would have made it clear on her behalf because I knew her preferences. It was never a problem, the home was lovely and their aim was to care for the residents in the way they wished to be cared for.

The point is that no one is suggesting that the problem is an easy one to solve, it isn’t.

But the difference between a small minority and a much larger majority choose not to weaponise the issue and in doing so use language that encourages hatred and viciousness towards some of the worlds most vulnerable people.

What century are you living in?

How can you say that? Why shouldn’t people have the right to say if they prefer personal care from a woman? That comment shows zero empathy and is not like you Whitewave.

Whitewave you have no idea how vulnerable many elderly are in this country if you can ask ‘what century are you living in’

maddyone

Germanshepherdsmum

I know your situation Annie, but I doubt many women needing care would want it to be provided by a man.

Indeed. When my mother was in care for the last year of her life, she needed some extremely personal care providing, and she made her views clear to the staff, and it was respected totally. She was happy to receive non personal care from men ie meals delivered, coffee provided, wheelchair pushed.
Had she been unable to make her own needs clear, I would have made it clear on her behalf because I knew her preferences. It was never a problem, the home was lovely and their aim was to care for the residents in the way they wished to be cared for.

There are men in care homes too, I’d imagine they prefer their personal care carried out by a man. Also, many of the asylum seekers are advance members, who have families they will bring to the UK once their claims are approved, and their wives and daughters may well become carers.

Whitewavemark2

The point is that no one is suggesting that the problem is an easy one to solve, it isn’t.

But the difference between a small minority and a much larger majority choose not to weaponise the issue and in doing so use language that encourages hatred and viciousness towards some of the worlds most vulnerable people.

What would be your solution Whitewavemark2 ?
Where would the money come from to build all the new houses needed, etc etc

Urmstongran

Well I think he speaks for the silent majority in this country. Decent, clean basic accommodation and 3 meals a day? Gym use. Free buses into Weymouth. Doctor and dentist on call. Pocket money. A mobile phone. A games room and library.

What did these migrants expect? Hotel bed and board? That’s what they’ve been hearing from their mates. It’s time to make being over here clean but basic so that a few phone calls back across the Channel put some migrants off paying extortionate fees to traffickers. We are such a soft touch. France laughs at our naïveté.

It’s time we in the UK woke up. £6 million PER DAY this is costing the taxpayer here. Yes, decent living quarters ought to be provided. But these migrants (assisted by Care4Calais and lawyers whose best interests are served by thwarting all proposals - money in their coffers by keeping this roundabout turning) need a reality check.

That "silent majority" exists only in your imagination, Urmstongran. With the sort of figures the Conservatives look like polling, going out of your way to upset some of those who might actually vote for you is not very clever.

You say " what did these migrants expect". They have every right to expect that their claims will be processed in a reasonable time and they will know where they stand.

Not having a home, not knowing what's going to happen, not knowing when things will be resolved, puts them in extremely stressful circumstances. And while they're waiting what do you suggest they should do without in the list you just put up? They, and we, have every right to expect a system that processes people in a timely manner. Why can't the government apply themselves to this problem?

They haven't been getting the "4 star hotel" treatment that Tory MPs like to tell us about. The hotels may well have been "4 star" before they moved in, however everything is paired back for the asylum seekers.

What I do think you speak for and we probably need to listen to, are a small minority who have been gaslighted into believing that things are not the way they actually are. Sadly, the Conservatives will keep blinding these people with views that a culturally acceptable to them, because they desparately need their votes.

We can't save the whole world however empathetic we feel. We don't have a large enough country for a start.

I am not against genuine refugees, I am totally against the people traffickers and those who destroy their papers before entering the U.K.

Oh please. There is a mixture of genuine and not genuine asylum seekers on the boats, and they are there because, apart from those from the very few favoured, countries there are no safe routes for them.

We cannot tell which are which until their applications have been processed. Their applications are not being processed in a timely manner. They could be, if there was the political will to do so.

Until such time as this is done people are making judgements which they do not have the competence to make. But are being encouraged to think the very worst by the government and the right wing media.

I thank heaven that fewer people are taken in by this than the government think will be.

maddyone

Germanshepherdsmum

I know your situation Annie, but I doubt many women needing care would want it to be provided by a man.

Indeed. When my mother was in care for the last year of her life, she needed some extremely personal care providing, and she made her views clear to the staff, and it was respected totally. She was happy to receive non personal care from men ie meals delivered, coffee provided, wheelchair pushed.
Had she been unable to make her own needs clear, I would have made it clear on her behalf because I knew her preferences. It was never a problem, the home was lovely and their aim was to care for the residents in the way they wished to be cared for.

Well again, not the subject of this thread at all. My dad had no choice- all care was provided by females in his care home- because there was only on male, and he was a nurse so didn't do any of the intimate care at all. Most men have no choice at all.

Casdon
As you worked in the NHS I find it difficult that you really think that personal care should be provided by the opposite sex, regardless of the patient/resident’s opinion. Some people are quite happy, but others are not. My own mother was one of those who did not want personal care provided by a man. Resident’s needs and preferences should always be respected where possible. It’s called dignity. My mother could do almost nothing for herself in the last few months, and so it was entirely correct that her dignity was respected in the way she preferred.

MaizieD

^I am not against genuine refugees, I am totally against the people traffickers and those who destroy their papers before entering the U.K.^

Oh please. There is a mixture of genuine and not genuine asylum seekers on the boats, and they are there because, apart from those from the very few favoured, countries there are no safe routes for them.

We cannot tell which are which until their applications have been processed. Their applications are not being processed in a timely manner. They could be, if there was the political will to do so.

Until such time as this is done people are making judgements which they do not have the competence to make. But are being encouraged to think the very worst by the government and the right wing media.

I thank heaven that fewer people are taken in by this than the government think will be.

MaizieD like I said upthread, once you have known genuine refugees it changes one’s mindset.

They were humbled and grateful for the chance of a new life and to continue their education, no moans and groans, makes you wonder what some others are being told about life in the U.K. ?

I agree with Fleurpepper that many men have no choice, but that does not mean that choice should be removed where it is possible to give a choice. There were male and female carers in my mother’s home and therefore a choice was possible.

Sparklefizz

We can't save the whole world however empathetic we feel. We don't have a large enough country for a start.

I remember being told when I was a child that

you cannot save all the starfish on the beach but to save one is better than saving none

Anniebach

Whitewave you have no idea how vulnerable many elderly are in this country if you can ask ‘what century are you living in’

I assumed wrongly as it turned out that the reader would have understood that intimate care for both men and women are a different issue, but apparently not.

I clearly should have spelled it out.

Exactly what did you mean then Whitewave?

Actually I think your post was pretty clear Whitewave and it undoubtedly lacks empathy.
Please don’t try to insinuate that the reader is too unintelligent to understand what you meant.
You have clearly realised that you have slipped below the bar with that comment.
As I said previously, it’s not like you to display a lack of empathy.

Germanshepherdsmum

I know your situation Annie, but I doubt many women needing care would want it to be provided by a man.

I don't think Anniebach meant that, Germanshepherdsmum.
I took it that she meant she wasn't get the care she needed, even a cooked main meal in winter, and was comparing her situation to that of asylum seekers on the barge, with 3 good meals a day, trips out etc.

I might be wrong.