Lee Anderson, Conservative deputy chair says asylum seekers should ‘fuck off back to France’ if they don’t want to be housed on the Bobby Stockholm barge

It’s one thing admitting that there are things of which you have less knowledge than others, telling your fellow posters that they are ignorant is something else.

I assume Lee Anderson is also labelled ignorant because his views are not your views?

But that is Democracy Nicenanny3. I worry about comments like yours. Do you now agree with the hard-right's wish to move to Dictatorship?

Germanshepherdsmum

I didn’t report the post either but thought that calling those with differing views ignorant elderly people was very offensive.

We are all ignorant in different areas GSM. Those at the very top of knowledge in one particular area will usually admit there ignorance of others.

The interesting Mary Beard said in an article:

"Democracy cannot properly operate without knowledge, which the entire electorate of summer 2016 lacked."

She was, of course talking about the Leave/Remain referendum. She went on to say:

“Sure, say we want to leave, but you can only in the end say we are going to leave when we know what it means. Otherwise,” she said, “it’s just ___ in the dark.”

I don't think Lee Anderson's swearing is the only problem, although knowing where not to repeat it may be.

It really is the combination of his swearing, his ignorance, and the reason why he did it.

I am happy to admit my complete ignorance in the vast majority of the areas of life. That way I can learn. What I would not want to have to admit would be forming views without attempting to have more knowledge. What is wrong with saying "my gut tells me ... ... but I don't know why I feel that way", and then learning enough to form an opinion.

Maremia and Callistemon - absolutely right. As expected this post has taken a swerve into a different direction. Apparently I am " pearl clutcher" for finding foul language offensive, from an MP or an actress. And yes, I agree withMr C - if you have to resort to this, it suggests that you are unable to support your argument with logic.

MayBee70

Casdon

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Nicenanny3

08:23Fleurpepper

So what if Kandinsky supports or doesn't support Nigel Farage or UKIP who are still a political party by the way, what's it got to do with you.

UKIP are now the Reform Party. Having said that the Conservative Party have pretty much morphed into UKIP .

UKIP still exists, it’s led by Neil Hamilton. It may only have two members though.

So, what’s it campaigning to be independent of then?

I have no idea! The law maybe?

Sparklefizz

Ok Casdon But do a comparison with Italy Sparklefizz and the argument doesn’t stack up.

Italy population density 195.3
Britain population density 274.9

We still have a much higher population density, so my argument does stack up.

Sorry, according to the land size you’re right, but I still don’t follow the argument. Is population density a determinant of immigration, in which case should the Netherlands and Belgium for example accept none at all? Should land which is uninhabitable be taken off the population density figures before they are calculated? (Eg 40% of Italy is mountainous)? Bearing in mind that only 2% of England is built on, it seems a meaningless determinant to me.

But lots of posters on here welcome them 😡

Well they tried to bring in Rwanda as a deterrent but Labour, The Lords and the leftie lawyers, CareforCalais put a stop to that although it is going through the Supreme court.

Sunak has only been PM since Oct 2022 and he and Suella Braverman are trying but blocked at every stage by the above. Perhaps we should leave the ECHR. No wonder Lee Anderson is frustrated I am too.

So what exactly is the government doing about it?

100,000 migrants/illegals have crossed the channel since 2018.

400 have crossed today 😡

I didn’t report the post either but thought that calling those with differing views ignorant elderly people was very offensive.

Well done who ever got my post deleteted. It appears the prejudice is not only on the 13 pages of mainly basically racist comments

See this post is extremely offensive but I won’t report it. I didn’t report your other post that got deleted even though it was a way over the top rant.

Maybe calm down a bit?

How come DAR was deleted and posts expressing opposing views, expressed in terms many of us found offensive sat and?
Of course it’s the report button
This subject is polarising. It like banging the head on the brick wall to try and explain why it’s yiung men etc
Keep
Posting daisy ann

I questioned your post DaisyAnneReturns but I can assure you I didn’t report it.

foxie48

DaisyAnneReturns

Well done who ever got my post deleteted. It appears the prejudice is not only on the 13 pages of mainly basically racist comments.

Ignore and keep posting your thoughts, they are always of interest to me and others. Only speaking for myself but I like people with strong opinions as long as they are not too far off my own but I would never try to close down a discussion because someone strongly agreed with me.

I love " like people with strong opinions as long as they are not too far off my own". It gave me a much needed laugh. I imagine it's true of most of us.

Just to add to Paperbackwriter's excellent post, many economic migrants are working to send money back to support their whole family, that's why they are often the young men. Rather than work shy scroungers, which is how some people paint them, they are actually carrying the burden of trying to support a family that has clubbed together, often incurring debts, to send them abroad to seek work. We have no idea how hard life can be in some countries and if we don't help to make it better for them the economic migrants will keep coming.

Population densities don't work. It's simply another "I am not a racist" argument.

This theconversation.com/think-your-country-is-crowded-these-maps-reveal-the-truth-about-population-density-across-europe-90345 gives a different view of densities.

If we do not get the climate under control, what we are looking at today will seem like child's play. How will we deal with that? Countries need to get together and talk now, not leave it until we have no choice. But that will not happen under the hard right and it's supporters, will it?

Paperbackwriter

Some of you on here need to check your bigotry and remember that there is nothing illegal about seeking asylum. As for the term 'economic migrants', that applies to anyone who works in a country other than their own. Some on here may be among those numbers. Perhaps if the British could get their heads round the truth that this also makes them 'migrants' and not the 'expats' they like to think they are, we might have more equality in the world. Just thank the lord that none of you are likely to need to flee your country in a flimsy boat.

Well said Paperbackwriter

DaisyAnneReturns

Well done who ever got my post deleteted. It appears the prejudice is not only on the 13 pages of mainly basically racist comments.

Ignore and keep posting your thoughts, they are always of interest to me and others. Only speaking for myself but I like people with strong opinions as long as they are not too far off my own but I would never try to close down a discussion because someone strongly agreed with me.

Well done who ever got my post deleteted. It appears the prejudice is not only on the 13 pages of mainly basically racist comments.

Well that's a novel approach to solving a world wide issue, allocate refugees according to which countries have the lowest population densities! Canada, Australia, Iceland all have a density around 3. Actually Syria (126) has a lower density than either Italy or the UK! Hang on though, people are leaving Syria. What about Afganistan? Density 65, people are leaving there too. What about Ukraine at 63, that must be a candidate, but people are leaving there as well.
I'm not an economist but there is a strong link between GDP and population demography but using something as crude as population density to determine which countries should offer asylum is a complete nonsense. With the UK's current demography there's a very strong argument that we should be welcoming fit young people.

Neil Hamilton would also morph into the Tories if he could but he got chucked out for corruption. That was in the days that corruption was not seen as a virtue.😄

MayBee70

Casdon

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Nicenanny3

08:23Fleurpepper

So what if Kandinsky supports or doesn't support Nigel Farage or UKIP who are still a political party by the way, what's it got to do with you.

UKIP are now the Reform Party. Having said that the Conservative Party have pretty much morphed into UKIP .

UKIP still exists, it’s led by Neil Hamilton. It may only have two members though.

So, what’s it campaigning to be independent of then?

😂
Perhaps England wants to break away from RUK!
Although he is Welsh 🤔

Maremia

As this thread is as much about the language used as the sentiment expressed, may I ask all of those GNs on here, who took such exception to Miriam Margoyles using the word 'Tw#t' on a previous discussion, but are now accepting, and even approving?, of the 'salty' language of Lee Anderson, was it because she is a woman swearing, but it's okay for a man to do the same?

Nope.

As my MIL would have said , he should wash out his mouth with soap.
Or, as DH says, if you have to resort to foul language, you've already lost the argument.

Ok Casdon But do a comparison with Italy Sparklefizz and the argument doesn’t stack up.

Italy population density 195.3
Britain population density 274.9

We still have a much higher population density, so my argument does stack up.