Interesting article - Harry the trauma exhibitionist.

eazybee

You could also say it was misplaced loyalty.
His life has been ruined by allegations, unproven, made by a woman known to have worked as a prostitute.

What about the lives of the children that were ruined by rape. Do you think that prostiutes are lesser people even when they're groomed as children?

Anniebach

Did Andrew visit in Jail ? I missed that . So strange the only person named in the Epstein scandal was Andrew

He visited him in 2010 after Epstein was convicted of providing to be raped. It waas discussed when He was interviewed byEmily Maitlis.

You could also say it was misplaced loyalty.
His life has been ruined by allegations, unproven, made by a woman known to have worked as a prostitute.

Andrew chose to spend time with a convicted paedophile. I muat have different values to you if you think that Harry doing an interview is worse than being associated with a man who traffiked children to be raped. Of course he was nice to mummy, she paid his court money. He is a true piece of work.

Did Andrew visit in Jail ? I missed that . So strange the only person named in the Epstein scandal was Andrew

Jaberwok

Despite not having being found guilty in any court of law,Andrew indeed has behaved extremely foolishly and with much arrogance, however, he has never ever trashed his family for thirty pieces of silver with lies and treachery, he was a worry to the late Queen of course but not in a personal way. He was devoted and loyal to his mother and along with Sarah helped to make her final days more bearable. He also genuinely did fly rescue missions in the Falklands from burning ships and conducted himself with much bravery,not that he personally gave any details about persons killed or anything else for that matter. Perhaps Harry too could exercise the Christian virtue of forgiveness, even extending it to his father-in-law! There's a thought.

Which seems to say you can do anything you lie as long as you are nice to your family!!!
Andrew was close friends with a paedophile and people trafficker. Even after his friend had been convicted Andrew still visited him.
That isn't foolish, it's downright dangerous. I would imagine if it had been an ordinary member of the public closely associating with Epstein he would have been investigated, his private life inspected and his movements monitored. Andrew coughed up a lot of money for an innocent man.

Despite not having being found guilty in any court of law,Andrew indeed has behaved extremely foolishly and with much arrogance, however, he has never ever trashed his family for thirty pieces of silver with lies and treachery, he was a worry to the late Queen of course but not in a personal way. He was devoted and loyal to his mother and along with Sarah helped to make her final days more bearable. He also genuinely did fly rescue missions in the Falklands from burning ships and conducted himself with much bravery,not that he personally gave any details about persons killed or anything else for that matter. Perhaps Harry too could exercise the Christian virtue of forgiveness, even extending it to his father-in-law! There's a thought.

effrontery,sorry.

lemsip perhaps best if you didn’t read this thread, you seemed very annoyed by the contents

Jaberwok

Nothing excuses Harry's cruelty to the late Queen and Prince Philip. For me this is, and always would be totally unforgivable. As for being the Spare, his own mother coined that phrase apparently in jest. I'm sure if she had had an inkling of his this jest would be interpreted and used she would never had said it. His childhood was no worse than lots of us and a darned sight better than some. Money is no object, so if he needs help of any sort I doubt very much that you'll find him on an NHS waiting list. Incidentally Harry was two weeks short of his 13th birthday, William was two months into his 15th.

You were mentioninf earlier that you Harry needed lessons in Christianity but i thought Christianity was about forgiveness and it's not for mere mortals to judge.

The Queen probably had more to worry about with Andrew as she seemed to favour him. I liked the Queen she was priviledged to live a long life and I think she had a pretty good lastcfew days surrounded by people, in the lap if luxury and getting the best palliative care. I get more angry about people of any age dying in underfunded hospitals

oh for goodness sake, give it a rest

When Diana died the then Queen was attacked by the media and Diana devotee public.
She stayed in Scotland, how selfish !

Your country needs you ma’am. Wrong , her grandsons needed her

Nothing to do with him being royal,I would feel the same about anyone who treated their elderly dying grandparents in that shameful way. Apparently they had no time for a visit. HLM loved Harry and he knew it, it was understood that he loved her too, until she said No to him and his wife, and then she had to be punished for that afrontery. Once she was dead of course, Harry suddenly did have time to go to Balmoral. How strange is that.

Harry would be forgiven a great deal if he hadn't repeatedly made his issues within his family so public, and then been seen to make money out of it.
I do wonder what will happen to him; he has been given everything he said he wanted, yet seems to have no purpose in life, and presents as someone who is unhappy.
The prodigal son springs to mind.

Jaberwok

Nothing excuses Harry's cruelty to the late Queen and Prince Philip. For me this is, and always would be totally unforgivable. As for being the Spare, his own mother coined that phrase apparently in jest. I'm sure if she had had an inkling of his this jest would be interpreted and used she would never had said it. His childhood was no worse than lots of us and a darned sight better than some. Money is no object, so if he needs help of any sort I doubt very much that you'll find him on an NHS waiting list. Incidentally Harry was two weeks short of his 13th birthday, William was two months into his 15th.

I cannot understand this! Yes lots of people have awful childhoods but why does that mean zero compassion for someone else who has because they are a royal? And as for being nearly 13 I cant see that 13 is any better time for losing a parent. As I said comparing the brothers is divisive everyone responds differently to trauma and William was older!

Princess Margaret’s children had so called insecure attachments, both well adjusted adults

Nothing excuses Harry's cruelty to the late Queen and Prince Philip. For me this is, and always would be totally unforgivable. As for being the Spare, his own mother coined that phrase apparently in jest. I'm sure if she had had an inkling of his this jest would be interpreted and used she would never had said it. His childhood was no worse than lots of us and a darned sight better than some. Money is no object, so if he needs help of any sort I doubt very much that you'll find him on an NHS waiting list. Incidentally Harry was two weeks short of his 13th birthday, William was two months into his 15th.

Anniebach

Charles was son of a reigning monarch who suddenly became monarch when only 25 years of age , yes he was left at home when his mother had to take official overseas visits , in the care of a doting grandmother , would you have taken a four year old
with you

No I am not saying I would but it would inevitably lead to insecure attachments with his parents. I did not accuse his parents of neglecting him only commented that an unusual and stifling up bringing would invariably lead to later problems.

Camilla was very much in love with her first husband,

Kanga Tyron ?

Can't remember when or under what circumstances WellsRose but I'm sure H said his family aren't racist.

Anniebach

Charles was son of a reigning monarch who suddenly became monarch when only 25 years of age , yes he was left at home when his mother had to take official overseas visits , in the care of a doting grandmother , would you have taken a four year old
with you

It must have had a detrimental affect as Chales discussed it in a documentary and book.

Anniebach

No it doesn’t exonerate Charles, he was not involved with Camilla when he married Diana

How do you know this?

I'm responding to another poster who is saying that Harry needs lessons in Christianity. How is that preoccupied?

Charles was son of a reigning monarch who suddenly became monarch when only 25 years of age , yes he was left at home when his mother had to take official overseas visits , in the care of a doting grandmother , would you have taken a four year old
with you

Insecure attachments. Charles struggled so makes sense that he might too have struggled with bring up his own children.