Interesting article - Harry the trauma exhibitionist.

Glorianny

WellRose you always know when you are proving your point on GN the posts become more and more personal. Sad but true.

You're right.

WellsRose

Anniebach

Quote WellsRose Fri 08-Sep-23 18:39:07
Anniebach
Post Natal Psychosis cannot be compared with grief
The human mind is incredibly complex and two people can experience the same thing but come out of it differently.

The most extreme example was Queen Victoria, 40 years mourning.

You are so wrong, impossible to compare 40 years of grief with the torture of post natal psychosis , Queen Victoria’s period of mourning ? rubbish to compare

Sorr I've let the dog whistle racism go on this thread but we've got ablist bigotry on here

Youre assuming that everyone has the same level of mental fitness.

We don't get this abuse directed at people who are physically vulnerable but its ok to belittle mental health issues.

Ok I'll give you an example of the differences in attitudes. During tje pandemic we locked down to protecr people who had underlying physical health conditions because covid would have killed. The virus dod not harm people who were generally healthy.
So why is beyond people like yourself to understand that someine who has underlying mental health conditions would be more vulnerable to life events such as bereavement.

Now I have no idea whether has underlying mental health condition as its private but his mum.had bulemia so its not a massive stretch to assume he could have.

Dol

You know absolutely nothing about the private lives of posters on this thread unless they have shared their personal problems on GN. As you only post in H&M threads you probably wouldn't know anyway.

So it's best not to accuse other posters of having no understanding of bereavement.

Foxygloves

Frankly, I think the comment is irrelevant (unsubstantiated, almost certainly inaccurate and gossip) and having nothing to do with the thread, frankly goady.
“When in doubt, take a pot shot at Catherine” ?

As Anniebach said.

Where is there a potshot at Catherine? I've explained the photograph. Catherine and William are on The steps of St Mary's with one of the baby's and the photo is taken just behind them and there is an enormous crowd of photographers.

WellRose you always know when you are proving your point on GN the posts become more and more personal. Sad but true.

Foxygloves

^It is just ridiculous to try and compare one person's experiences with another's^
By the same token equally invidious to equate one's own experience with that of others.
And attempt to validate that with factual inaccuracies about the level of therapy, support, or help available to the exact people Invictus was set up to support.
Any counsellor is trained not to weigh in with their own issues or experiences. While it can and should make you more open to listening more receptive and more understanding, it is of no help to the person in front of you.
Having established his genuine empathy it should be enough for Harry to let the focus rest on the veterans- and not muscle on on it.

You realy don't understand the concept of "sharing" do you?
It isn't counselling
It isn't therapy
It isn't any of those things you have tried to equate it with.
It is being open and honest about how you feel, the things you felt and went through, and the problems you had, and may still have.
One of the other aspects of sharing trauma is that no one has the right to criticise or cross examine you about your feelings. For the simple reason they are Your feelings and no one else has or can experience them.
It's something few on GN seem to recognise
Sharing trauma is a recognised way of helping others to speak about theirs without any condemnation or fear of criticism.

Jaberwok

I have a photo of my granddaughter when she was still in the womb!! WellsRose, you remind me of a poster whom we haven't heard from in a while. A coincidence? Or perhaps a reincarnation?

A coincidence and I think you're going against talk guidelines.

I have a photo my daughter a few minutes old as well. A private family shot is not Tells same as the world press crowding outside of the hospital.

A photograph of Catherine holding a baby fresh out of the womb, taken from the back, !
This can only mean someone took the photograph from behind the head of the bed

Frankly, I think the comment is irrelevant (unsubstantiated, almost certainly inaccurate and gossip) and having nothing to do with the thread, frankly goady.
“When in doubt, take a pot shot at Catherine” ?

As Anniebach said.

It's just another way of saying new born tiny baby. I don't why is a serious allegation to say babies come from womb. It's biology.

It is different to a couple taking a selfie. I didn't have a selfie because I had a terrible birth and could barely stand. Princess Diana said that she didn't want those photos taken, she was bleeding and sore but she was expected to have full make up on And a big smile. Meghan chose not to do it and got huge critism

I think it's misogynistic.

I have a photo of my granddaughter when she was still in the womb!! WellsRose, you remind me of a poster whom we haven't heard from in a while. A coincidence? Or perhaps a reincarnation?

I've got a lovely photo of my first grandchild when she was one hour old.

When in a hole, eh?

Rock bottom and still drilling

Foxygloves

^It is just ridiculous to try and compare one person's experiences with another's^
By the same token equally invidious to equate one's own experience with that of others.
And attempt to validate that with factual inaccuracies about the level of therapy, support, or help available to the exact people Invictus was set up to support.
Any counsellor is trained not to weigh in with their own issues or experiences. While it can and should make you more open to listening more receptive and more understanding, it is of no help to the person in front of you.
Having established his genuine empathy it should be enough for Harry to let the focus rest on the veterans- and not muscle on on it.

Is Harry trying to be a counsellor is he just talking about his experiences. I've not seen the documentary but how much of the programme does he spend talking about himself ? Do others not get a chance to speak then?

Oh FFS
You have plumbed new depths with this.
That is offensive and frankly ridiculous.
Not "fresh out of the womb" - ridiculously OTT language for pics of Catherine, Diana, Fergie, Beatrice, etc etc etc ( just like any new parents might pose for a selfie) posing with their recently born baby (not fresh out of the womb ) on the steps of St Mary's.

As soon as they are born? Yes, a very serious allegation.

Catherine holding a baby straight out of the womb, a very serious allegation ,

Foxygloves

^Have you seen the photo of Catherine holding one of the babies fresh out of the womb^
What on earth are you talking about?

I'm talking about the photographs of Royal babies as soon as soon they are born.

Have you seen the photo of Catherine holding one of the babies fresh out of the womb
What on earth are you talking about?

It is just ridiculous to try and compare one person's experiences with another's
By the same token equally invidious to equate one's own experience with that of others.
And attempt to validate that with factual inaccuracies about the level of therapy, support, or help available to the exact people Invictus was set up to support.
Any counsellor is trained not to weigh in with their own issues or experiences. While it can and should make you more open to listening more receptive and more understanding, it is of no help to the person in front of you.
Having established his genuine empathy it should be enough for Harry to let the focus rest on the veterans- and not muscle on on it.

Anniebach

Another speech from him today , will it be ‘me,me,me’ yet again

You don't have to listen to his speech. Harry can talk about whatever he chooses.

Sorry @Glorianny cross posted and you worded it so much.

He does a seperate problem though. He has been under scrutny since birth. Have you seen the photo of Catherine holding one of the babies fresh out of the womb, its taken from behind Catherine. Its scary to look at.

That media attention carried on. His life has been in display, every stupid mistake is scrutinised. That must have an affect on mental health.

I would have hated and i would not want my child on public display like Prince William's children. Do you think you have coped with it or would you be happy for it be your child's life?

Foxygloves

Mollygo

FoxyglovesI too have been a Sam for a long time-and I do not recognise WR’s attitude, either.

Without going into anything at length (and I base this on my viewing of Heart of Invictus as well as my own experience) empathy does not equate to saying “Oh I know, I had that too, this happened to me, I suffered from that, me, me, me”
Harry was not wounded in Afghanistan, did not have his marriage break down because of PTSD, was not homeless when he returned from his period of duty which was in itself sheltered and enjoyed a high level of protection because of his privileged position, and short.
Yes, he could seek help and support for his fellow servicemen and women and sympathise with them, feel for them and want to be “on their side” but not by saying how he himself had “suffered”, because LSS, he hadn’t.

It is just ridiculous t try and compare one person's experiences with another's.
Harry was not homeless- well no but he was expected to turn up at all sorts of events and smile for the cameras. Which most ex-servicemen aren't
His marriage did not break down- no but an early relationship did because of press intrusion which is similar.
Most ex-servicemen can go out with their mates and drink, when Harry partied it was front page news.
His life was not an ordinary life and it is nonsense to compare one with the other.

One of the principles of group counselling is that at some stage everyone participating shares their story, because by opening up and sharing an atmosphere of trust is created which in turn encourages others to share their problems. It seems Harry knows this although GN members don't.

Another speech from him today , will it be ‘me,me,me’ yet again