Lawrence Fox

Fox is a creep and he’s a rubbish (was presenter) guest on GB News. Wooton has been sacked from the Daily Mail. Hope GB News give him his marching orders too. He’s always smirking over something.

Iam64 please read what I have written, and not what you think I have written. I have not said the balance of power has gone too far ( I said it needed redressing) I have not said 'it is responsible for these behaviours', I have not dismissed the appalling figures for domestic violence, rape,and murder, I think Lawrence Fox's comments are deplorable, and I resent your saying that I am 'wrong' about statements I have not made. Having several men of all ages in my close family I have at times felt sympathy because they - being gentle men, brought up to treat everyone with respect, regardless of sex or age, have sometimes felt on the receiving end of harsh blanket criticisms, much as have many young women. I have over the past years in both work and society come across women whose general attitude to men is far from good, and if you haven't met any it doesn't mean they don't exist.

Pragmatist

Although I do not defend Fox, I do understand why he over reacted as he has issues himself.

Yes, he does.

But you can't say things like that on TV and expect such comments to be accepted because of those issues. As I'm sure he knows.

We may not agree with the standards that are set for public debate, but certain benchmarks are made and if you infringe them, then the outcome is inevitable.

Evans was provocative and dismissive - but she didn't break the guidelines, however insensitive she was being. He did.

Other people are interviewed who have 'issues' and they manage to contain themselves. It's possible to be critical and forceful without violating the rules.

And now, with the inevitable threats being made to Evans, and Fox 'standing by' his comments - the whole focus, which should have been on men's suicide statistics, is on them.

I'd like to have seen someone taking Evans to task for her heartless and inconsiderate comments, not her 'shaggability' status - which is totally irrelevant.

It appears that some are calling for Ofcom to close down GBNews.
Did anyone call for the bbc to be shut down when Russel Brand and Jonathan Ross left those disgusting voice messages on Andrew Sachs phone, no.
They got rid of Russel Brand but a slap on the wrist for their money earner, Jonathan Ross. A 12 week suspension.
I’m not defending Laurence Fox but I believe double standards should be called out.

LovesBach

Iam64 please read what I have written, and not what you think I have written. I have not said the balance of power has gone too far ( I said it needed redressing) I have not said 'it is responsible for these behaviours', I have not dismissed the appalling figures for domestic violence, rape,and murder, I think Lawrence Fox's comments are deplorable, and I resent your saying that I am 'wrong' about statements I have not made. Having several men of all ages in my close family I have at times felt sympathy because they - being gentle men, brought up to treat everyone with respect, regardless of sex or age, have sometimes felt on the receiving end of harsh blanket criticisms, much as have many young women. I have over the past years in both work and society come across women whose general attitude to men is far from good, and if you haven't met any it doesn't mean they don't exist.

None of that means that sexism or misogyny is acceptable though. Each incident has to be judged on its own 'merits' and we can all speak up if we hear people making unacceptable blanket comments.

Whataboutery is always a weak argument, and suggests that a 'tit for tat' approach to the law can be appropriate when it really can't. A few women making sexist remarks or tweets doesn't mean that all women should have to put up with comments like Fox's.

MerylStreep

It appears that some are calling for Ofcom to close down GBNews.
Did anyone call for the bbc to be shut down when Russel Brand and Jonathan Ross left those disgusting voice messages on Andrew Sachs phone, no.
They got rid of Russel Brand but a slap on the wrist for their money earner, Jonathan Ross. A 12 week suspension.
I’m not defending Laurence Fox but I believe double standards should be called out.

I posted something similar on the other thread about GB News.

I've never watched it but double standards are being applied because some people loathe GB News and want it shut down anyway.

I dont particularly like GB news (although I like Andrew doyle) but I didlike attempts to shut things down even more

Galaxy

I dont particularly like GB news (although I like Andrew doyle) but I didlike attempts to shut things down even more

Me too, on both counts - not sure who Andrew Doyle is though.

I don't want to shut things down, but I do think that there should be sanctions for unacceptable comments. I'm inclined to wonder whether Wooton was on the way out anyway, and this has given them a good excuse.

...and I didn't say that either, Doodledog.

Yes I think it was a convenient time for wooton to go.
Andrew doyle is a comedian he is on GB news. Very interested in free speech, and very interested in the gender critical debate.

For clarity: my earlier comment wasn’t aimed at anyone in particular. I was merely pointing out that as soon as a condemnation is qualified in any way, it’s no longer a condemnation.

Galaxy

I dont particularly like GB news (although I like Andrew doyle) but I didlike attempts to shut things down even more

I'm with you on that.

I also dislike it, but shutting things down, banning things - altering the narratives in books, no-platforming and cancelling people because you don't like their opinions... if no law is being broken, then 'shutting-down' is a dangerous road to go down.

GB did appear to act swiftly, although I don't know all the details. All media have their 'slants' - we should challenge them, not cancel them.

MerylStreep

It appears that some are calling for Ofcom to close down GBNews.
Did anyone call for the bbc to be shut down when Russel Brand and Jonathan Ross left those disgusting voice messages on Andrew Sachs phone, no.
They got rid of Russel Brand but a slap on the wrist for their money earner, Jonathan Ross. A 12 week suspension.
I’m not defending Laurence Fox but I believe double standards should be called out.

That was appalling - those messages were disgraceful.

Jonathan Ross is now presenting a programme for Classic FM - it's not a favourite slot of mine anyway - but I absolutely refuse to listen to it now that he's presenting it. Shame on Classic FM.

There are some things which, in my book anyway, are unforgiveable - what he and Brand did are one of them. Humiliating a young woman and an elderly man.

Brand did, at the very least, apologise - sincerely enough for the granddaughter to believe he meant it. Ross never did.

MerylStreep

It appears that some are calling for Ofcom to close down GBNews.
Did anyone call for the bbc to be shut down when Russel Brand and Jonathan Ross left those disgusting voice messages on Andrew Sachs phone, no.
They got rid of Russel Brand but a slap on the wrist for their money earner, Jonathan Ross. A 12 week suspension.
I’m not defending Laurence Fox but I believe double standards should be called out.

It's because GBN does not claim to be a news channel and so therefore does not need to comply with the OFCOM rules that the actual news channels do comply with. So it's not double standards.

Defending GB news is not a hill I wish to die on, far from it.

But Dihnamo Ofcom rules are in force, why are Wootton or Fox being axed if not?

Agree with those (*Galaxy*) who appreciate Andrew Doyle. His program cannot be bettered anywhere.

I wonder why he chose GB news to air them?

MerylStreep

It appears that some are calling for Ofcom to close down GBNews.
Did anyone call for the bbc to be shut down when Russel Brand and Jonathan Ross left those disgusting voice messages on Andrew Sachs phone, no.
They got rid of Russel Brand but a slap on the wrist for their money earner, Jonathan Ross. A 12 week suspension.
I’m not defending Laurence Fox but I believe double standards should be called out.

Both investigations are equal in terms of action taken at the current stage of proceedings Meryl Streep.
Suspended, Ofcom investigation.
Are you prejudging what the outcome will be for Fox and Wootton, because I don’t see how you can claim that there are double standards otherwise?

I watch anne diamond and stephen dixon morning news, also eamonn and isobel. I also like camilla tominey and many other topics

LovesBach

...and I didn't say that either, Doodledog.

No, but you said that you know good men (as do we all) who are hurt by generalisations, and if the implication wasn't that this somehow mitigates Fox's comments or that women shouldn't speak up about them, I'm not sure why you brought them up? I didn't mean to misrepresent your meaning and I apologise if I have done so, but I'm not sure what it is if not what I've just said.

lemsip

I watch anne diamond and stephen dixon morning news, also eamonn and isobel. I also like camilla tominey and many other topics

Oh yes I forgot about Camilla Tominey

I have said that Fox' s remarks were deplorable; how can you, Doodledog, draw from that any kind of mitigation? You are making assumptions and posting them - please do not do that. I have neither written, nor implied, that women shouldn't report offensive behaviour, or tolerate it. I don't, I have taught my daughters not to, and you have certainly misrepresented my meaning. Apology accepted. One opinion doesn't cancel another; sympathy for one sex does not equate with condemnation of the other, and I am not the only poster who has expressed dislike for sweeping generalisations on this thread.

Ok, but why bring all the good men into it? As you've asked, that is what seemed like mitigation.

Well done Fox for his announcement. He Apologised for the demeaning words he used but he stands up for the message that men hating rhetoric by women is toxic. Just like women hating rhetoric by men is.

But he indulges in it all the time. It's similar in hypocrisy as if I started lecturing people about spending too much time on GN.

Galaxy

But he indulges in it all the time. It's similar in hypocrisy as if I started lecturing people about spending too much time on GN.

is this what people are talking about?

metro.co.uk/2023/09/28/ofcom-investigation-gb-news-dan-wootton-laurence-fox-19573591/?ito=facebook%7Csocial%7Cmetroukfacebook&fbclid=IwAR2gqxC386mgU2QpM0ksm73sDR6iESalkxxjJSu4Rlyyd1Ni43IFM5842vk

the video if you scroll down is repulsive how can anyone defend him?