Lawrence Fox

Judge and jury

Anyone who says any variation of ‘bad Laurence, but..’ or tries to find any excuses for his misogyny is, de facto, defending him.
I hope this isn’t directed at me.

Or me!

I stand by what I say about the QT episode and I wish caravansera would tell me who Rachel Boyle is.

The questions from the audience are selected. The young woman who asked if Harry and Meghan were trading on their names wouldn’t have known LF was going to be chosen to respond.

I’m keeping an open mind here but I know a set up when I see it.

On newsnight Casdon, I mean it was the bloke from sky news, but it's also floating about on Twitter and on another thread on GN.

Well Lawrence Fox was crass, no doubt. But what he said is consistently reported incorrectly. The transcript shows he did not comment on her appearance, he commented on her opinions. Read the transcript of what he said. Lawrence was foolish and vulgar to say what he said but this has been twisted into him commenting on how she looks when it was about him running away fast if he had met her in a bar and she said those things about Men’s mental health. Sadly mob rule on social media and everyone is afraid to look at things in a balanced way, and a story about this much more appealing to MSM than Men’s mental health. The MSM control what is talked about and the masses fall for it every time.

I know you are so much brighter than we are.

Laurence Fox looks unwell. He is either deliberately provocative as a means of getting media attention or he is gradually losing whatever mind he has
Whatever the female journalist said does not make Fox’s misogyny in any way justifiable

Both Lawrence and Ava were in the wrong. Its not about who was most wrong. And if Lawrence is losing his mind - well we are back to Men’s mental health. Lets stay there.

Doodledog

*Or just let the thread wander where it will?*
By all means, but then why suggest that we wouldn’t be talking about suicide if not for Fox’s comments? That’s not why he made them, and they weren’t about suicide. The reason he was suspended is because of his sexist comments. Why are people being so tetchy?

Sorry Ddog if I came across as being so tetchy .
I assume the comment was aimed at me , as it was in answer to my question?

I would say, as you pointed out earlier, many discussions have been aired about male suicide.
Whether they have individually been discussed in the past I dont know.

But, I agreed with Annibach that LF comments propelled the subject matter to the top of the media agenda for a couple of days.
Which led to us discussing here.

I also pointed out that as the op focused on misogyny etc ect maybe those of us that wanted to address male suicide as opposed to LF misogyny, might look at it through the op's perspective a little more.

As I see it, people have all kinds of reactions to information, and saying them doesnt dilute the thrust of the debate.

Fox took a break from the media in 2020 he said to help his mh. He talked about feeling depressed and not sleeping
Maybe another poster will start a thread on the issue of male mental health. It’s an important topic.
So is the question raised by the OP about men and their penis

Pragmatist

Both Lawrence and Ava were in the wrong. Its not about who was most wrong. And if Lawrence is losing his mind - well we are back to Men’s mental health. Lets stay there.

But her being wrong, in a debate in which she was expressing a point of view he didn’t agree with, is irrelevant. There is never an excuse for sexually directed and offensive behaviour personally attacking somebody else. It was beyond ‘crass’ as you described it. It’s indefensible, which is why he’s been suspended - GB News were correct to do that.

I too feel sympathy for many men nowdays; the balance of 'power' did need to be redressed, but the attitude of so many women now is that men cannot say, or do, anything acceptable.

I don’t know any of the women you refer to LovesBach.
A woman is murdered every week by a man, often a partner, especially at time of separation
Women are subject to domestic abuse at a much higher rate than men
Women are subjected to the kind of misogynistic abuse shown repeatedly by Fox, Tate and other men
Suggesting that equality has gone too far or is somehow responsible for those behaviours is just wrong

Brings back a memory over 65 years ago. Younger brother and
sister having an argument, she certainly let rip with her tongue,
he lashed out and hit her , never had they seen such behaviour in the family home.

Casdon

Pragmatist

Both Lawrence and Ava were in the wrong. Its not about who was most wrong. And if Lawrence is losing his mind - well we are back to Men’s mental health. Lets stay there.

But her being wrong, in a debate in which she was expressing a point of view he didn’t agree with, is irrelevant. There is never an excuse for sexually directed and offensive behaviour personally attacking somebody else. It was beyond ‘crass’ as you described it. It’s indefensible, which is why he’s been suspended - GB News were correct to do that.

There is never an excuse for sexually directed and offensive behaviour personally attacking somebody else

On this we agree which is why I have repeatedly posted that Ava Evans should be called to account for her behaviour on social media.

Asking for equal treatment is not in anyway condoning Laurence Fox.

GrannyGravy13

Casdon

Pragmatist

Both Lawrence and Ava were in the wrong. Its not about who was most wrong. And if Lawrence is losing his mind - well we are back to Men’s mental health. Lets stay there.

But her being wrong, in a debate in which she was expressing a point of view he didn’t agree with, is irrelevant. There is never an excuse for sexually directed and offensive behaviour personally attacking somebody else. It was beyond ‘crass’ as you described it. It’s indefensible, which is why he’s been suspended - GB News were correct to do that.

There is never an excuse for sexually directed and offensive behaviour personally attacking somebody else

On this we agree which is why I have repeatedly posted that Ava Evans should be called to account for her behaviour on social media.

Asking for equal treatment is not in anyway condoning Laurence Fox.

I’m presuming what she said was in a personal capacity though. His outburst was on TV, and it was said in the course of his employment. I think that’s the big difference. GB News can’t sanction any guest who they don’t employ for expressing a personal opinion on social media, but they have to take action against their employees. Whether it’s right or not for people to say exactly what they like on social media when talking in a personal capacity is a whole other debate.

What equality - positive discrimination is inequality

Although I do not defend Fox, I do understand why he over reacted as he has issues himself.

Not sure how we manage that though, I agree he seems deeply troubled but so was Brand.

I agree with both of Casdon's posts on this page.

Fox is being suspended because in a TV debate he brought up the question of a woman's 'shaggability' and whether he would have sex with her in response to something she said in that debate. The debate was about suicide, not about who he would or would not honour with his sexual attentions (in his dreams).

Whatever AE said or did not say on her own social media pages is irrelevant. If she makes inappropriate tweets, let people judge her on that, but they do not make her fair game to be dismissed in that way when she is doing her job (however badly) as a journalist and commentator.

It is not 'unequal treatment' to say that. If AE, or any other woman, made sexually inappropriate comments about someone in the course of their work I would believe that they too should be sanctioned. I don't think that anyone on here is saying otherwise. How that can be interpreted as double standards re Fox is beyond me.

Of course he should be suspended.

I actually doubt he thinks otherwise. He knows the score.

The Ofcom rules are regularly referred to by him.

Forgive me I haven't re read the new replies on this thread (rl getting in the way haha)

Begs the question why play to AE tune?

Perhaps he wants to go on holiday but GBeebies (thanks Boz) wouldn't give him the time off?

Anniebach

Brings back a memory over 65 years ago. Younger brother and
sister having an argument, she certainly let rip with her tongue,
he lashed out and hit her , never had they seen such behaviour in the family home.

So sorry that you witnessed domestic abuse at such an early age ‘Anniebach*”

So what we basically have is a man berating a woman for not being "shagable"and a woman who doesn't want to discuss men's mental health and suicide figures.
If you look at it it is simply the same old judgements.
Women are judged by their sexual attraction and men are judged by their ability to cope.(stiff upper lip and all that)
And this is on a news programme. No wonder no one watches any more.
Lawrence Fox is an unbearable attention seeker
Never heard of Ava Evans
Quite like Geoff Norcott who has been the only right wing comedian and funny about it, but has adjusted his ideas somewhat.

Pragmatist

Both Lawrence and Ava were in the wrong. Its not about who was most wrong. And if Lawrence is losing his mind - well we are back to Men’s mental health. Lets stay there.

Her misandry re mèns suicide OK with you then.

Never heard of Ava Evans
But we have now!!

Her misandry re mèns suicide OK with you then.
I don’t think anyone has said or implied that. AE can be judged on her own merits and people can express opinions on that, but it has nothing to do with Fox’s remarks.
7800 people have complained apparently and Wooton has lost his job at the Mail online.