Charitable status and private schools

Germanshepherdsmum

Why is it the fair thing to do?

What next - VAT on university fees and nursery fees? And if not, why not?

Children's clothes and school uniforms.
Oh, I forgot, if your child needs clothes/uniforms sized at age 14 or over (even if they are only 11), they are subject to VAT.

Indeed Callistemon. The logical extension of fairness.

IMO it is the fair thing to do because I believe private education is elitist - that is my opinion. There is a state education system, of which everyone can avail themselves. If they choose not to, that’s their choice, but I don’t see why they deserve a tax break for doing so. Childcare, on the other hand, is not elitist - it is a necessity for many.

LizzieDrip

IMO it is the fair thing to do because I believe private education is elitist - that is my opinion. There is a state education system, of which everyone can avail themselves. If they choose not to, that’s their choice, but I don’t see why they deserve a tax break for doing so. Childcare, on the other hand, is not elitist - it is a necessity for many.

If they choose not to, that’s their choice, but I don’t see why they deserve a tax break for doing so
They're not exempt from paying that part of their income tax which goes towards State education.
Nor should they be of course.

You could say that university fees should be subject to VAT as well then, especially for overseas students.
Not everyone can go to university.

Germanshepherdsmum

Why is it the fair thing to do?

What next - VAT on university fees and nursery fees? And if not, why not?

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It's nothing to do with the actual idea of VAT on school fees, posts like that about supposed elitism are just about the politics of envy.

People who send their children to independent schools are not getting a tax break. Not all goods and services that we purchase are subject to VAT; that doesn’t mean we’re getting a tax break. Perhaps the rate of VAT on houses should be increased from 0% if the house is over a certain price, because to be able to afford it you have to be one of the perceived ‘elite’ and it’s unfair on those who can’t afford it?

They are, Callistemon.

LizzieDrip

IMO it is the fair thing to do because I believe private education is elitist - that is my opinion. There is a state education system, of which everyone can avail themselves.

There is indeed and the *better state schools in the better areas, even though the same formula for funding exists, are where the better off parents manage to send their children.
We don’t seem to be able to do anything about that, which has far more impact than fee paying schools.
Would withdrawing charitable status or charging extra VAT make any difference to state schools or would it just make people who can’t afford private education feel better?

LizzieDrip

IMO it is the fair thing to do because I believe private education is elitist - that is my opinion. There is a state education system, of which everyone can avail themselves. If they choose not to, that’s their choice, but I don’t see why they deserve a tax break for doing so. Childcare, on the other hand, is not elitist - it is a necessity for many.

But we are not a communist country LizzieDrip. The vast majority believe in a mixed economy and, as of today, we are dtill a democracy.

It is tedious but… seems to me that in recent times, there has been a massive increase in the super rich as a group who are very well placed to pay an extra 20 percent on fees. Water off a duck’s back.

I am struggling with the demise of the solid middle classes who might want private education but now will be unable to buy it.

So we have a thriving boarding public sector now educating more children from abroad than from the UK or potentially so. I suppose this makes sense to Labour politicians but at the moment, it does not tally with me.

Education is one of our biggest markets.

The UK Education Market was estimated at USD 280 billion in 2022 and is anticipated to reach around USD 510 billion by 2032, growing at a CAGR of roughly 15% between 2023 and 2032.

DaisyAnneReturns

LizzieDrip

IMO it is the fair thing to do because I believe private education is elitist - that is my opinion. There is a state education system, of which everyone can avail themselves. If they choose not to, that’s their choice, but I don’t see why they deserve a tax break for doing so. Childcare, on the other hand, is not elitist - it is a necessity for many.

But we are not a communist country LizzieDrip. The vast majority believe in a mixed economy and, as of today, we are dtill a democracy.

There is much elititism in a communist regime.

I'm not too keen to compare the two sectors, state and private, because they are so different.
Currently, however, nearly three in ten pupils joining the independent sector came from state schools. They choose to move because they find the state system lacking. IF this movement between the sectors can be stemmed under a Labour government, then that would be very impressive.
But I wouldn't hold my breath, I don't think it's likely.

Callistemon21

DaisyAnneReturns

LizzieDrip

IMO it is the fair thing to do because I believe private education is elitist - that is my opinion. There is a state education system, of which everyone can avail themselves. If they choose not to, that’s their choice, but I don’t see why they deserve a tax break for doing so. Childcare, on the other hand, is not elitist - it is a necessity for many.

But we are not a communist country LizzieDrip. The vast majority believe in a mixed economy and, as of today, we are dtill a democracy.

There is much elititism in a communist regime.

There is in any extreme Callistemon even extreme Greens would create there own aristocracy.