My Victor Meldrew moment

... PS Quokka

I realise the above is an over-simplification and that it really is not as cut-and-dried as I've implied.

Let me just put it this way - my life, in general, living a reasonably comfortable life in a fairly prosperous small town in The Cotswolds, is quite different to that of my counterpart living in a tower-block in a somewhat depressed area of East London. And that will colour our view of immigration - and just about everything else. We are worlds apart.

grandtanteJE65

Actually, in the part of Denmark I live in, we already are sorting our rubbish in six categories. Of these five are re-cycled and the sixth, which is household waste is incinerated. So if your present or next government brings that in, it will be environmentally sound.

So would a tax on meat be, as long as vegetables are either priced lower than at present or free of VAT. And a tax on air travel would make good sense environmently speaking too.

So does it really matter if politicians are taking something that Sunak meant sarcastically seriously?

I take you are a vegetarian or vegan, otherwise why would you be calling for a tax on meat. Why not do it the other way and put a tax on veg.

I presume you are thinking of the emissions from animals, but veg are not emission free when you take into account the emissions from tractors, lorries used for deliveries
cars used when shopping, and any and all other vehicles.

I don't know about Denmark, but in the UK food, including meat and veg, is VAT zero rated as is most other food for human consumption

For Bella23 (and others) MUST we have politics on here ? Especially ill-informed guff. One or two comments have said they're all packed with incompetence, corruption and self-interest, very true and I've been voting since the 60s.

As for "Wilson kept us out of Vietnam" - a myth. USA was heavily involved by the time that quote of Wilson was made, and we couldn't AFFORD to get involved!

Attlee/Labour did indeed give us the NHS, and so would the Tories, it had already been discussed. The country so liked Attlee he was booted out after one and a bit terms, and the NHS then had just over half the customers it has now, and we're generally older and with more ailments. Hence the struggles.

Roy Jenkins has been quoted as that, but more likely it's John Smith you're thinking of. Jenkins so liked Labour he helped form the Social Democrats?!!!

DrWatson

For Bella23 (and others) MUST we have politics on here ? Especially ill-informed guff. One or two comments have said they're all packed with incompetence, corruption and self-interest, very true and I've been voting since the 60s.

As for "Wilson kept us out of Vietnam" - a myth. USA was heavily involved by the time that quote of Wilson was made, and we couldn't AFFORD to get involved!

Attlee/Labour did indeed give us the NHS, and so would the Tories, it had already been discussed. The country so liked Attlee he was booted out after one and a bit terms, and the NHS then had just over half the customers it has now, and we're generally older and with more ailments. Hence the struggles.

Roy Jenkins has been quoted as that, but more likely it's John Smith you're thinking of. Jenkins so liked Labour he helped form the Social Democrats?!!!

For Bella23 (and others) MUST we have politics on here ?

... eh?

Have you not noticed that this is a News & Politics forum?

Not sure why you've picked on Bella23 - or who the "others" are - anyway...

... Especially ill-informed guff

Does this mean views with which you disagree? .

What an odd comment, Dr Watson!

For Bella23 (and others) MUST we have politics on here ?

Have you never looked at the forum title, DrWatson?😂

Ah, X posted Dickens

MaizieD, I don't believe it either! It seems unreal, like a nightmare, sick joke or a bad comedy show. It's a (very thinly veiled) insult to the voters, an assumption that they are very stupid with short memories and complete faith in simple 'solutions' too. Politicians just love keeping us safe from harm (real or fake)>

We used to laugh so much at the Daily Mail-o-matic headline generator. Now it's alive in politics, just link any perceived threat with something you value - and there you have it. Promise an answer - ridiculous will do nicely.
There's a similar 'front page' version now: coyoteproductions.co.uk/silly/dmhg/

DrWatson The Tories aaccepted the NHS but weren't really in faouvr. in fact Thatcher wanted to get rid of it but her advisers told her that the country wouldn't stand for it. Therefore the Tories have been nibbling away at it ever since.

Dinahmo

DrWatson The Tories aaccepted the NHS but weren't really in faouvr. in fact Thatcher wanted to get rid of it but her advisers told her that the country wouldn't stand for it. Therefore the Tories have been nibbling away at it ever since.

Papers released by the National Archives confirm that not only did Thatcher's 'special cabinet' plan to dismantle the NHS but also proposed to charge for state schooling.

Denied at the time, but the released papers prove otherwise.

All whilst the Tory party were declaring that the NHS is safe with us.

Papers released by the National Archives confirm that not only did Thatcher's 'special cabinet' plan to dismantle the NHS but also proposed to charge for state schooling.

Where on earth did they think people would get the money to pay for state schooling? Was it going to be funded by huge cuts in taxation? The low paid would have needed massive increases in take home pay to be able to afford it...

Has the tory party always been bonkers?😆

The difference between Thatcher and now is that there was a ‘special cabinet plan’. That infers that Thatcher was not acting in isolation and there had been at least some discussion with other ministers! The fact that these proposals didn’t see the light of day means that government was working……and not using the Emperor/ess or Divine Ruler model.