Can Sunak finally stop the dinghies?

Only if they are prepared to work more closely with Europe, which a lot of the right wing will not be happy about.

Small boat crossings before 2018, when the EU returns treaty stopped (thanks to the UK withdrawing as part of Brexit: none

Source www.durham.ac.uk/departments/academic/law/news-and-events/news/2023/february/new-report-on-small-boat-crossings-launched-by-professor-thom-brooks/

It would be entirely doable, but not by routes the ERG and related fanatics in Sunak’s own party would be happy with.

So that’ll be a no, then.

I very much doubt it. The smugglers are as accomplished liars as the Leave campaigners; they won't tell their prospective clients that they'll be whipped off to Rwanda the minute they land in the UK (which they won't, anyway, and even if Rwanda did happen, the smugglers won't care because they'll get their money for the crossing.)

The only things that will stop the boats are processing facilities in France and safe routes.

I don't like seeing our PM snuggling up to a fascist PM.

Siope surely looking at historic data one needs to add in crossings via container lorries too?

I am more optimistic than you it seems. I hope it’s not misplaced.

I thought I was going to see a picture of Sunak standing in the channel holding his arms out to physically stop the boats arriving then, I’m most disappointed.

There's that word again, facist Please do some research and you will see that there are no Facist governments in Western Europe. Right wing does not = Facist, anymore than left wing = Communism! Two expressions that are freely banded around without people actually knowing what they really represent.

MaizieD

I very much doubt it. The smugglers are as accomplished liars as the Leave campaigners; they won't tell their prospective clients that they'll be whipped off to Rwanda the minute they land in the UK (which they won't, anyway, and even if Rwanda did happen, the smugglers won't care because they'll get their money for the crossing.)

The only things that will stop the boats are processing facilities in France and safe routes.

I don't like seeing our PM snuggling up to a fascist PM.

Yes, if proper UK processing centers were set up in France and any picked up in dinghies were returned there, would be a solution.
Wether it could process the numbers in reasonable time is another matter, so is wether France would cooperate

Casdon

I thought I was going to see a picture of Sunak standing in the channel holding his arms out to physically stop the boats arriving then, I’m most disappointed.

Exactly what I thought Casdon!!!!
King Canute comes to mind as well.

An efficient processing system which enabled asylum seekers to live a normal life as soon as possible would be a good idea. Why he needs to talk to anyone in Europe to set that up I don't know.

Whether France would cooperate is a moot point, but unless all options are thoroughly explored who knows? Only by talking to other affected countries can a joint agreement be hammered out,hopefully! At least there is dialogue which must be a good thing.

Yes, make it possible to enter and apply legally. To add. this issue is simply to distract people from the utter destruction the Tory Party have wrought on it's electorate.
The Tories have killed far more people through neglect and withdrawal of vital services than any poor sod fleeing from a country that this government probably sold arms too.

Most of the ones on the dinghies would not be allowed to come here from France legally, do you honestly think that this would stop the boats do you think they would accept that I don't they will do anything to get here. As for a poster saying that the smugglers would lie to the illegals about Rwanda etc don't be so naive most of them have top of the range phones/Internet and If (a big if) as soon as they landed were put on a plane to Rwanda I think the news would soon filter through on YouTube and the dinghies would stop, whether then they would try other means to get here, who knows.

France offered to help with the setting up of processing centres ages ago . This was turned down by our government.

As for a poster saying that the smugglers would lie to the illegals about Rwanda etc don't be so naive most of them have top of the range phones/Internet...

Do they have £1,000 trainers and enormous flat screen TVs, too...?

twitter.com/TheNewsAgents/status/1708436603499433997

westendgirl

France offered to help with the setting up of processing centres ages ago . This was turned down by our government.

This ⏫

We knew this two years ago.

MaizieD

westendgirl

France offered to help with the setting up of processing centres ages ago . This was turned down by our government.

This ⏫

We knew this two years ago.

The agenda has moved on in 2 yrs all of Europe is worried about migration, not just English Channel crossing but Med as well.

Katie59

MaizieD

westendgirl

France offered to help with the setting up of processing centres ages ago . This was turned down by our government.

This ⏫

We knew this two years ago.

The agenda has moved on in 2 yrs all of Europe is worried about migration, not just English Channel crossing but Med as well.

Perhaps if the UK took its fair share of asylum seekers it might help. Of the 27.1 million refugees in the world the UK took 1%
www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/information/refugee-asylum-facts/the-truth-about-asylum/?gad=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwg4SpBhAKEiwAdyLwvPPLdx1fL3J6FRFS6K1YyY-E46W2duuYPp4h3oEpxGO5kge5MWzsuRoCuosQAvD_BwE

Katie59

MaizieD

westendgirl

France offered to help with the setting up of processing centres ages ago . This was turned down by our government.

This ⏫

We knew this two years ago.

The agenda has moved on in 2 yrs all of Europe is worried about migration, not just English Channel crossing but Med as well.

That’s it, the whole of Europe is a magnet now for anyone with the money to leave their own country.It can’t go on as it is doing and Europe has to work together to stop it.Maybe at last they will do.

I’m pretty sure that any agreement with France or the EU will involve taking our “fair share”.
If an agreement on what our fair share is made it will be easier to control numbers, that could take some time to negotiate.

Oreo

Katie59

MaizieD

westendgirl

France offered to help with the setting up of processing centres ages ago . This was turned down by our government.

This ⏫

We knew this two years ago.

The agenda has moved on in 2 yrs all of Europe is worried about migration, not just English Channel crossing but Med as well.

That’s it, the whole of Europe is a magnet now for anyone with the money to leave their own country.It can’t go on as it is doing and Europe has to work together to stop it.Maybe at last they will do.

It's very little to do with Europe. One of the countries most affected by the refugee crisis is Turkey. 72% of refugees are housed in countries close to their country of origin.

Glorianny

Oreo

Katie59

MaizieD

westendgirl

France offered to help with the setting up of processing centres ages ago . This was turned down by our government.

This ⏫

We knew this two years ago.

The agenda has moved on in 2 yrs all of Europe is worried about migration, not just English Channel crossing but Med as well.

That’s it, the whole of Europe is a magnet now for anyone with the money to leave their own country.It can’t go on as it is doing and Europe has to work together to stop it.Maybe at last they will do.

It's very little to do with Europe. One of the countries most affected by the refugee crisis is Turkey. 72% of refugees are housed in countries close to their country of origin.

Lampedusa in Italy had 7,000 migrants arrive in on 14/09/23 the population of Lampedusa is 6,000.

So far this year Italy has seen the arrival of 127,000 migrants.

It’s definitely a Europe problem Glorianny

Glorianny
I would say it has a lot to do with Europe. The eu signed a deal with Turkey to the tune of €6 billion.

www.rescue.org/eu/article/what-eu-turkey-deal

The Italian figures are not huge compared with other countries.
If you think they are you really don't understand the scale of the problem. Of the 10 countries accommodating the largest number of refugees only Germany is in Europe
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The nine low- and middle-income countries playing host to nearly 10 million refugees worldwide were clumped in the Middle East and Sub-Saharan Africa: Turkey (2.8 million), Pakistan (1.6 million), Lebanon (1 million), Iran (978,000), Ethiopia (742,700), Jordan (691,800), Kenya (523,500), Uganda (512,600), and Chad (386,100).

Germany (478,600) was ninth with just under 500,000 refugees resettled — the only high-income country to make the list

Until someone talks to those countries and helps them cope there really will not be a solution. And the number coming here is miniscule

“Until someone talks to those countries and helps them cope there really will not be a solution. And the number coming here is miniscule”

We should be addressing the countries that refugees are fleeing from, if there wasn’t persecution there would be no refugees. The UN or EU can do nothing it would take the UN to solve the strife in these countries, IF the will existed.

Glorianny

The Italian figures are not huge compared with other countries.
If you think they are you really don't understand the scale of the problem. Of the 10 countries accommodating the largest number of refugees only Germany is in Europe
.
The nine low- and middle-income countries playing host to nearly 10 million refugees worldwide were clumped in the Middle East and Sub-Saharan Africa: Turkey (2.8 million), Pakistan (1.6 million), Lebanon (1 million), Iran (978,000), Ethiopia (742,700), Jordan (691,800), Kenya (523,500), Uganda (512,600), and Chad (386,100).

Germany (478,600) was ninth with just under 500,000 refugees resettled — the only high-income country to make the list

Until someone talks to those countries and helps them cope there really will not be a solution. And the number coming here is miniscule

This equation doesn’t take into account the size of the population of the country before the migrants arrive though Glorianny, or the useable landmass of the countries.