Israel, Hamas and now Hezbollah

I'd be amazed if Netanyahu admitted it, even it were true (and I don't know if it is).

Who knows?

Oh yeah, many things are reported widely and are totally untrue.
If the government in Israel had any hard evidence other than speculation or may be this and maybe that then of course they would have acted on it.
It suits the narrative of any pro Palestine or pro hamas people to propagate lies and rumours to the press.

Mossad warned UK security services about 7/7 attacks but they didn’t have time to stop them.

Any conspiracy theories about that fleurpepper? No? Thought not. No one I’ve spoken to with family and friends in Israel has heard any of this you say you’ve been told about. Seems as if you have suddenly developed a hotline to “Jewish friends in Israel”.

growstuff

I'd be amazed if Netanyahu admitted it, even it were true (and I don't know if it is).

Who knows?

If it is true, which I doubt it will come out eventually.

If the USA and/or Egypt had firm intelligence of an imminent attack the U.K. would also have known, as would China and Russia.

GrannyGravy13

growstuff

I'd be amazed if Netanyahu admitted it, even it were true (and I don't know if it is).

Who knows?

If it is true, which I doubt it will come out eventually.

If the USA and/or Egypt had firm intelligence of an imminent attack the U.K. would also have known, as would China and Russia.

Maybe they did. I haven't a clue. All I was doing was responding to your post that you hadn't seen it reported.

tickingbird

Mossad warned UK security services about 7/7 attacks but they didn’t have time to stop them.

Any conspiracy theories about that fleurpepper? No? Thought not. No one I’ve spoken to with family and friends in Israel has heard any of this you say you’ve been told about. Seems as if you have suddenly developed a hotline to “Jewish friends in Israel”.

Why on earth would friends and family have heard anything about classified information? Egypt apparently made the announcement after the attack and somebody in the US (can't remember his name) made it public. Maybe the Israeli media didn't report it. I have no idea.

Oreo

Oh yeah, many things are reported widely and are totally untrue.
If the government in Israel had any hard evidence other than speculation or may be this and maybe that then of course they would have acted on it.
It suits the narrative of any pro Palestine or pro hamas people to propagate lies and rumours to the press.

Of course it does. It also suits Netanyau to claim he knew nothing.

There were many warnings before this, and opposition parties and retired army officers and organisations petioned Netanhayu to discuss security issues, particularly with the Gaza border.

* At the beginning of September, attorney Shahar Ben-Meir and others, filed a petition to grant an order on absolute conditions and order and a request for an urgent discussion, in the matter of the readiness of the IDF and its competence. The petition was submitted on behalf of the Commanders for Security israel Brothers in Arms, Kippur Warriors 1973, Patriots 555, Expatriots Unit 214, Kingfisher Expatriots, 669, Cruisers for Democracy, Carriers and Carriers to Save Democracy, and Submarine Warriors. *

* We asked the court to instruct the Prime Minister to congress the government or at least the Committee of Ministers for National Security Affairs - the cabinet - to discuss the IDF's ability situation. *

We asked to bring before the cabinet urgently a review from the Chief of Staff of the IDF's competence status due to the severity of the crisis, and to make sure that the national security disciplines that come from the data that the Chief of Staff and the top of the IDF will be presented to the cabinet.

* Chief of the General Staff Zahi Hanegebi replied with a short letter that everything is fine. *

The reason why opposition parties and their followers hold Netanhayu responsible for being totally unprepared for this attack that they had been warned about specifically a few days before, and for months beforehand.

It also suits Israel.

In times of war all you can do is make a judgement on what you are hearing/seeing.

You asked for evidence - I posted it.

Then you said - oh well it isn’t true😄😄😄😄 . Honestly you have no more idea than anyone else what is or isn’t true, but you must make what you hope to be a balanced judgment.

Do I think Egypt sent a warning to Natenyahu? On balance of probabilities and understanding the current relationship between Egypt and Israel - the answer is yes.

"We know that Egypt has warned the Israelis three days prior that an event like this could happen,"

Hardly definitive. Israel is constantly under attack. To suggest they knew this would happen when it did and allowed it to go ahead is nonsense.

Fleurpepper

There were many warnings before this, and opposition parties and retired army officers and organisations petioned Netanhayu to discuss security issues, particularly with the Gaza border.

* At the beginning of September, attorney Shahar Ben-Meir and others, filed a petition to grant an order on absolute conditions and order and a request for an urgent discussion, in the matter of the readiness of the IDF and its competence. The petition was submitted on behalf of the Commanders for Security israel Brothers in Arms, Kippur Warriors 1973, Patriots 555, Expatriots Unit 214, Kingfisher Expatriots, 669, Cruisers for Democracy, Carriers and Carriers to Save Democracy, and Submarine Warriors. *

* We asked the court to instruct the Prime Minister to congress the government or at least the Committee of Ministers for National Security Affairs - the cabinet - to discuss the IDF's ability situation. *

We asked to bring before the cabinet urgently a review from the Chief of Staff of the IDF's competence status due to the severity of the crisis, and to make sure that the national security disciplines that come from the data that the Chief of Staff and the top of the IDF will be presented to the cabinet.

* Chief of the General Staff Zahi Hanegebi replied with a short letter that everything is fine. *

Like I said upthread, if any of these allegations had any substance and if Israel had preempted with an assault on Palestine the outrage would have been stratospheric from all the Palestine sympathisers.

Whitewavemark2

It also suits Israel.

In times of war all you can do is make a judgement on what you are hearing/seeing.

You asked for evidence - I posted it.

Then you said - oh well it isn’t true😄😄😄😄 . Honestly you have no more idea than anyone else what is or isn’t true, but you must make what you hope to be a balanced judgment.

Do I think Egypt sent a warning to Natenyahu? On balance of probabilities and understanding the current relationship between Egypt and Israel - the answer is yes.

If that was to me Whitewavemark2 I suggest you re-read my post in answer to your last post.

You said alleged several times regarding the sharing of intelligence, no one agency has come out and confirmed it had prior knowledge which would have enabled Israel to prevent the barbaric attack by Hamas.

If it does come to light, I hope that appropriate action is taken if it’s found that the Israeli Government did not take the threat seriously.

growstuff

Oreo

Oh yeah, many things are reported widely and are totally untrue.
If the government in Israel had any hard evidence other than speculation or may be this and maybe that then of course they would have acted on it.
It suits the narrative of any pro Palestine or pro hamas people to propagate lies and rumours to the press.

Of course it does. It also suits Netanyau to claim he knew nothing.

Why, in the name of all that’s holy would it suit him to claim he knew nothing?
If there had been credible evidence it would have been acted upon.
Simply not liking Netanyau or his government is making people believe all kinds of nutty theories.

Oh for goodness sake. This is ridiculous, support and believe a hard right anti-democrat if you wish, at least the Israelis know the truth, and are asking hard questions, which will almost certainly see him out of power as soon as they are able. They are clearly showing a good deal of sense.

tickingbird

*"We know that Egypt has warned the Israelis three days prior that an event like this could happen,"*

Hardly definitive. Israel is constantly under attack. To suggest they knew this would happen when it did and allowed it to go ahead is nonsense.

It really is nonsense, but that’s forums for you😖

Fleurpepper, it’s beginning to appear that your intransigence leaves you open to conspiracy theories.

You seem to believe Netanyahu deliberately ignored information about an imminent attack by Hamas, presumably because he believed the sacrifice of many Jewish people would give him the justification to attack Gaza.

As a previous poster said, the US was warned some kind of terrorist attack was imminent. That doesn’t make the US responsible for its own devastation.

Oreo

tickingbird

"We know that Egypt has warned the Israelis three days prior that an event like this could happen,"

Hardly definitive. Israel is constantly under attack. To suggest they knew this would happen when it did and allowed it to go ahead is nonsense.

It really is nonsense, but that’s forums for you😖

Unless you have some kind of security clearance, I don't see how you can know it's nonsense.

Sorry - x posted with Oreo, gg13 and Whitewave. Consensus on something

Whitewavemark2

Oh for goodness sake. This is ridiculous, support and believe a hard right anti-democrat if you wish, at least the Israelis know the truth, and are asking hard questions, which will almost certainly see him out of power as soon as they are able. They are clearly showing a good deal of sense.

I am not supporting and/or believing a hard right anti-democrat.

I am just pointing out the bloody obvious.

There are allegations that Hamas was up to something

So far not one agency has come out and said they had definite intelligence.

If and when they do, then it’s up to the Israeli electorate along with USA, who have a major influence in Israel to decide on the next course of action.

growstuff

tickingbird

Mossad warned UK security services about 7/7 attacks but they didn’t have time to stop them.

Any conspiracy theories about that fleurpepper? No? Thought not. No one I’ve spoken to with family and friends in Israel has heard any of this you say you’ve been told about. Seems as if you have suddenly developed a hotline to “Jewish friends in Israel”.

Why on earth would friends and family have heard anything about classified information? Egypt apparently made the announcement after the attack and somebody in the US (can't remember his name) made it public. Maybe the Israeli media didn't report it. I have no idea.

Indeed they wouldn't. But the opposition parties have clearly stated that they have been trying to ascertain the readiness of the army for such an attack, as there were many warnings for some time, much before the warnings given by Egypt.

Here is a comment made my someone on the ground- who is vehemently opposed to Netanyahu's extreme right Government, and his fraudulent behaviour.

''there were apparently many who warned. Many retired army officers of various ranks. Anyone in their right minds could see that the government was not functioning on any level, or on any matter.

The priorities were paying off the coalition partners by diverting huge parts of the budget to specific parasites in specific sectors at the cost of neglecting the others, like the people surrounding Gaza. Abandoning them and their security. Diverting the army to protect crazy and crazed militant religious settlers, handing out government offices to useless assholes without any qualifications what so ever, and inventing more unnecessary offices so there would be more jobs for all the "deserving" lackeys.''

Whitewavemark2

Oh for goodness sake. This is ridiculous, support and believe a hard right anti-democrat if you wish, at least the Israelis know the truth, and are asking hard questions, which will almost certainly see him out of power as soon as they are able. They are clearly showing a good deal of sense.

You’re swallowing conspiracy theories.
The very fact that he’s a hard right anti democrat would suggest he’s keen on the military and using them where he thinks necessary.
The Israelis don’t know the truth! They are hurting and raging as to how it happened and lashing out at the government.Like all people do in extremis.
Unfortunately governments cannot protest their own people all of the time, as 9/11 showed and events here in London as well as many others all over the world.
Get real.

Protect not protest.

Fleurpepper

growstuff

tickingbird

Mossad warned UK security services about 7/7 attacks but they didn’t have time to stop them.

Any conspiracy theories about that fleurpepper? No? Thought not. No one I’ve spoken to with family and friends in Israel has heard any of this you say you’ve been told about. Seems as if you have suddenly developed a hotline to “Jewish friends in Israel”.

Why on earth would friends and family have heard anything about classified information? Egypt apparently made the announcement after the attack and somebody in the US (can't remember his name) made it public. Maybe the Israeli media didn't report it. I have no idea.

Indeed they wouldn't. But the opposition parties have clearly stated that they have been trying to ascertain the readiness of the army for such an attack, as there were many warnings for some time, much before the warnings given by Egypt.

Here is a comment made my someone on the ground- who is vehemently opposed to Netanyahu's extreme right Government, and his fraudulent behaviour.

''there were apparently many who warned. Many retired army officers of various ranks. Anyone in their right minds could see that the government was not functioning on any level, or on any matter.

The priorities were paying off the coalition partners by diverting huge parts of the budget to specific parasites in specific sectors at the cost of neglecting the others, like the people surrounding Gaza. Abandoning them and their security. Diverting the army to protect crazy and crazed militant religious settlers, handing out government offices to useless assholes without any qualifications what so ever, and inventing more unnecessary offices so there would be more jobs for all the "deserving" lackeys.''

Conspiracy theories…

Rumours and speculation are not hard facts.
Nobody (including Fleurpepper) actually knows!