Israel and Palestine (thread 3)

Saudi Arabia is far from "moderate" however, it conducts it's activities differently to Iran and uses more covert tactics, but "moderate" it is most certainly not. Currently it suits it's purpose to ally itself with the US but was implicated in the Attacks of 9/11. I also doubt Egypt would want any role in overseeing Gaza.

People on Gransnet are asking what the solution is

Here is a letter from Jeremy Corbyn to PM RS

Letter

If the send part of letter is not clear to read here it is hopefully easier to read

Grany perhaps Mr. Corbyn could use his contacts within Hamas to call for them to stop firing rockets into Israel and release the hostages they took on 7/10.

GrannyGravy13

Grany perhaps Mr. Corbyn could use his contacts within Hamas to call for them to stop firing rockets into Israel and release the hostages they took on 7/10.

How do you know he hasn't? Anyone remember when the Conservative government wouldn't even allow the real voices of the IRA to be heard on TV? And how things escalated? Some people kept the lines of communication open and thank goodness they did. Terrorism cannot be beaten by killing as many people as possible. It needs communication, cooperation and compromise. There will always be extremists but they are never in the majority when these three are utilised.

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

Grany perhaps Mr. Corbyn could use his contacts within Hamas to call for them to stop firing rockets into Israel and release the hostages they took on 7/10.

How do you know he hasn't? Anyone remember when the Conservative government wouldn't even allow the real voices of the IRA to be heard on TV? And how things escalated? Some people kept the lines of communication open and thank goodness they did. Terrorism cannot be beaten by killing as many people as possible. It needs communication, cooperation and compromise. There will always be extremists but they are never in the majority when these three are utilised.

Have you seen any of the TV interviews if Hamas head honch’s with their hive mind mantra

We will repeat the actions s of 7/10 until Israel and Jews are no more

The above is a précis, but the message is accurate. Latest source was published by James Cleverly MP

I’m no fan of Corbyn. But, having said that when it comes to wars he’s always, to my knowledge, been on the right side of history when it comes to his parliamentary voting record.

MayBee70

I’m no fan of Corbyn. But, having said that when it comes to wars he’s always, to my knowledge, been on the right side of history when it comes to his parliamentary voting record.

Yes he has, and he is now.

Sorry but that's utterly simplistic. Right side of history is another one of those phrases which makes me want to weep. What you mean is he held the same views as me.

Thank you Grany. I never thought I'd agree with JC but I do, 100%.

Galaxy

Sorry but that's utterly simplistic. Right side of history is another one of those phrases which makes me want to weep. What you mean is he held the same views as me.

No. I mean that that persons views is ultimately proved to be the right one. Eg Iraq.

I can’t help wondering if the intense media vitriol that JC endured from the start was a deliberate act to make him universally unelectable.
Yet millions joined the Labour Party on the back of his campaign.
When on the rare occasion I hear him on tv or radio and now having read the letter posted up thread, he makes sense to me.

Everyone on this thread wants peace between Israel and Palestine, it is very easy to say what we think should be done including Mr.Corbyn.

Those who are in a position to hold sway with both Hamas and Israel I expect are beavering away behind the scenes.

These talks are slowly beginning to show results as foreign nationals and some of the wounded are crossing into Egypt along with aid flowing into Gaza.

MayBee70

Galaxy

Sorry but that's utterly simplistic. Right side of history is another one of those phrases which makes me want to weep. What you mean is he held the same views as me.

No. I mean that that persons views is ultimately proved to be the right one. Eg Iraq.

The right one, in your opinion.

History is as complex with as many differing views as the present.

There's a bit of a mismatch between your post of 9.59 and your post of 12.36 GG13 Can't help thinking it was just a way of contradicting me.
But it remains true that communication is vital. No matter what might be broadcast by Hammas. No matter how much some in the Israeli government want rid of the Palestinians.

Why do you think Hamas wants to communicate?

Very naive people on this thread

Glorianny

There's a bit of a mismatch between your post of 9.59 and your post of 12.36 GG13 Can't help thinking it was just a way of contradicting me.
But it remains true that communication is vital. No matter what might be broadcast by Hammas. No matter how much some in the Israeli government want rid of the Palestinians.

No miss match whatsoever.

My 9.59 post was highlighting what Hamas Leaders are saying in public broadcasts.

Louella12

Why do you think Hamas wants to communicate?

Very naive people on this thread

Because Hammas are neither ignorant nor inhuman. They know the history, they know that they have little chance of ever completely destroying Israel. What extremists demand and what the eventual outcome is are two entirely different things.
I've seen many organisations described as evil and intractable. Most of them have in time shifted and settled for peace.
Charles's visit to Kenya reminded me of when the Mau.Mau were active in Kenya and the terrible things that were said about them. The awful things we did to stop progress and independence.

Glorianny how you can say that

Hamas are neither ignorant or inhuman

leaves me absolutely speechless!!!

Are you unaware of the barbaric acts that they carried out on 7/10?

How could any educated person with half an ounce of humanity have carried out those deeds.

How can the Taliban carry on against women as they do.

How does the Iranian modesty police act as they do.

Your idea of inhuman is obviously very different to most rational people.

The Muslim Fundamental Terrorist are in a totally different league…

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny how you can say that

Hamas are neither ignorant or inhuman

leaves me absolutely speechless!!!

Are you unaware of the barbaric acts that they carried out on 7/10?

How could any educated person with half an ounce of humanity have carried out those deeds.

How can the Taliban carry on against women as they do.

How does the Iranian modesty police act as they do.

Your idea of inhuman is obviously very different to most rational people.

The Muslim Fundamental Terrorist are in a totally different league…

I assume you think the bombing of women and children is OK then GG13. Funny the bias some people have.
There are extremists on both sides. There are acts of horror on both sides. There are people who will continue to have extreme beliefs on both sides.
But Hammas has negotiated before.
The concept that the other side are inhuman has justified all sorts of atrocities, it's never true.

I think it has already been posted that the actions of 7/10 were probably fueled by drugs. There is a long history of drug use by participants in wars . It's linked to berserk and the berserkers. It isn't new.

There are many regimes in the Middle East with unacceptable administrations. A lot of them are there because of US or UK involvement. Perhaps if we'd stayed out of it those places such regimes would not have prospered.
Terrorism and fundamentalism are not confined to Muslims,and the way to defeat both is not by killing thousands, but by creating a society where equality and freedoms are valued and practised.

During the Mau Mau uprising, more Kenyans were killed by their own countrymen than by the British. I'm sure many of us saw the King presenting the very elderly veterans with their re minted wartime service medals commemorating their invaluable service to Britain in WW2. The originals were destroyed by they themselves during the insurrection because to be found with them by their own countrymen would have meant certain death. The look of joy on their faces and the caring of the King in presenting these medals was quite a tear jerker. We're not all. bad Glorianny, and never have been.

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny how you can say that

Hamas are neither ignorant or inhuman

leaves me absolutely speechless!!!

Are you unaware of the barbaric acts that they carried out on 7/10?

How could any educated person with half an ounce of humanity have carried out those deeds.

How can the Taliban carry on against women as they do.

How does the Iranian modesty police act as they do.

Your idea of inhuman is obviously very different to most rational people.

The Muslim Fundamental Terrorist are in a totally different league…

Thank you for posting this GrannyGravy. I’m left speechless too by the assertion that Hamas are neither ignorant nor inhuman.

the actions of 7/10 were probably fuelled by drugs

Oh that’s alright then!

maddyone

^the actions of 7/10 were probably fuelled by drugs^

Oh that’s alright then!

If the barbaric terrorists were under the influence of drugs when they carried out those heinous acts, they have had over three weeks to contemplate their actions.

Instead they drip feed the videos of the murders into social media platforms, the violation of the bodies, the torture of innocents before being murdered in front of family members…

They could also release all of the hostages immediately, doing so would show a willingness of Hamas to negotiate…