Gransnet forums

News & politics

Homelessness is a lifestyle choice according to Suella!

(188 Posts)
CvD66 Sun 05-Nov-23 12:26:17

Under this Tory period in power, homelessness has increased by 75% (271k in Jan 2023 according to Shelter) due in part to high rents and other costs of living, reduced mental and social service support and other Tory cuts. Our beloved Home Sec has decided homelessness is a lifestyle choice. In addition to her natural callousness, she now intends to prevent charities from giving tents to homeless people. Has this woman no grams of human kindness?
Notably under the last Labour government, homeless figures fell from just over 100k to 50k

Freya5 Sun 26-Nov-23 09:51:35

Dickens

A good observation Terribull.

And you're right. the problem of homelessness is not specific to Britain.

When I lived in affluent Norway - it was evident they also had a problem similarly. Obviously, not on the same scale, nevertheless, the reasons for it were much the same as ours, insecure housing, poverty (in spite of a comprehensive welfare system) and addiction coupled with mental health problems.

I don't think removing the tents will do much to solve the problems. No-one wants 'tent cities' within their boundaries, but without the tents, won't there just be homeless people sprawled on the pavements etc on various bits of bedding, blankets and cardboard? The homeless won't just disappear, they have to 'live' somewhere and will simply go back to what they did before the tents became an option... shop doorways, alleyways, pavements, etc, etc.

Hostels won't take in addicts - and do the addicts even want to be in hostels anyway, so I appreciate it's a heck of a problem for any government to solve. But I don't think SB has chosen a particularly helpful way of beginning to deal with it.

It's a problem all over Europe so it might be a good idea to see what other countries are doing to deal with it. I know in Denmark they are using steel shipping containers as temporary housing modules, with outside 'community' areas. Which is probably one working solution... but what do you do if the homeless individuals are disruptive addicts? Such encampments would soon become problem areas.

I see Denmark, a much more prosperous country than ours,are using steel shipping containers for homeless people. In this country there was uproar when the Bibby Stockholme was to be used for the boat people. Not our own homeless, they don't count .

growstuff Sun 26-Nov-23 10:23:52

Shipping containers have been used for ages in the UK for the homeless, for example:

www.tempohousing.com/projects/homeless-shelter-brighton-uk/

They do count!

MaizieD Sun 26-Nov-23 12:17:21

The Bibby Stockholm is a completely different environment from a modified shipping container.

MayBee70 Tue 28-Nov-23 18:21:32

Apologies if this has already been mentioned but I’ve just watched the second series of Time in which a woman prisoner is released but there is no room in any hostels for her so she is given a tent. Thinking that this was something that was just added for dramatic effect I googled it and found that prisoners are, in fact, given tents to sleep in. So surely, as Home Secretary, Braverman would have known this when she made that comment?

Chocolatelovinggran Tue 28-Nov-23 19:20:10

MayBee, that is shocking 🤯.

Iam64 Tue 28-Nov-23 21:46:28

Yes, MayBee, it’s true that prisoners released with no address of hostel get a tent

DaisyAnneReturns Tue 28-Nov-23 23:32:41

www.container-housing.co.uk/

More about shipping container housing.

Nannee49 Wed 29-Nov-23 05:58:35

Thanks for the link DaisyAnne. Container homes of that quality and innovation do seem a win-win solution to the appalling scandal of homelessness especially if built on brownfield sites.

I remember loving my great aunt's bright, cosy post war "pre-fab" in the 50's, it even came with a fridge, a rare luxury in those days. What some of the terrified families facing no fault evictions wouldn't give to have such a lovely secure place to call their own.

The viciousness, the hopelessness of being homeless, could be eradicated so swiftly for so many if the self serving blockheads we pay to be in charge began to use a bit of imagination, a bit of compassion and a bit of financial nous.

Grantanow Sat 02-Dec-23 14:45:24

I suppose becoming Home Secretary is a lifestyle choice - that's probably how Braverman arrived at the idea.

foxie48 Sat 02-Dec-23 14:54:06

This has just prompted me to send my donation to Crisis at Christmas in lieu of sending cards to friends. If anyone else is looking for a charity to support this Christmas, please would you consider this one.

Iam64 Sun 03-Dec-23 08:29:10

A man froze to death overnight. He was sleeping in his car

Grantanow Sun 03-Dec-23 11:04:48

I agree a massive pre-fab building programme would help. I lived in one with my parents in the 1950s and it was excellent. They could be manufactured in bulk in factories.