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Should any marches around or near the Cenotaph this weekend not be allowed?

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maddyone Wed 08-Nov-23 09:58:48

Following the defacing of a Cenotaph in Rotherham yesterday, would it be advisable for the police to rule that marches in or around the area of the Cenotaph should not be allowed, this weekend only?
A poppy seller was attacked by people in a huge crowd this week, people who have been marching on previous weekends have committed hate crimes by calling for Jews to be eliminated. Should the sanctity of the Cenotaph and the Remembrance Service be at the mercy of the marchers to choose to do the right thing? Why was a Cenotaph thought to be a legitimate target in Rotherham?
Surely those who live in our liberal democracy should understand why this weekend is particularly special to so many people. Those of us who live in this country, a liberal democracy, should understand that compared to so many people in the world, we are very lucky to live in a country that affords us great freedoms, including the right to protest peacefully. Peaceful protest however, does not include the right to call for the deaths of other people, to attack poppy sellers or others, or to deface public buildings.
Why are the London police refusing to use the laws that are already available to ban any marching around this area for for this one weekend?

* [Typo in the title has now been edited by GNHQ]

GrannyGravy13 Sat 11-Nov-23 13:21:23

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Anniebach Sat 11-Nov-23 13:24:34

Oh GrannyGravy why oh why are they allowed to carry that,

Boz Sat 11-Nov-23 13:26:46

I see Corbyn is in the front row with John Macdonald; say no more.

Callistemon21 Sat 11-Nov-23 13:31:58

Boz

I see Corbyn is in the front row with John Macdonald; say no more.

He is no peacemaker.

Anniebach Sat 11-Nov-23 13:36:42

They must be so excited

Callistemon21 Sat 11-Nov-23 13:39:36

Are there any banners calling for peace? Or are they just hate-filled banners?

Was it just the veterans at the Cenotaph who were praying for peace?

Anniebach Sat 11-Nov-23 13:43:20

Just the veterans at the Cenotaph,

Palastine flag wavers standing behind police who are having a tussle with Union Jack flag wavers

Fleurpepper Sat 11-Nov-23 14:23:11

So, encouraged by our delightful Home Secretary, the far right thugs are out in London punching police officers. Some of them have swastika tattoos I see. What do you think of them Kandinsky? Just a 'matter of opinion' sad

Glorianny Sat 11-Nov-23 14:27:27

Callistemon21

Boz

I see Corbyn is in the front row with John Macdonald; say no more.

He is no peacemaker.

But he has two peace prizes 2013 the Ghandi Peace prize, 2017 the Sean McBride peace prize

Whitewavemark2 Sat 11-Nov-23 14:37:19

I’ve just been watching both sky and the bbc, and am so relieved to see such a peaceful March by those calling for a ceasefire.

I weep at the news coming out of Gaza today, and felt absolutely traumatised when seeing a mother rocking and trying to console her 2 year old daughter who’d had both her legs blown off and there was no pain killers for the little soul.

Jackiest Sat 11-Nov-23 14:38:15

The march so far has gone peacefully the only problems have been with the people objecting to the march trying to stir up trouble. According to the BBC about 80 counter protesters have been arrested.

Glorianny Sat 11-Nov-23 14:38:57

A peaceful march for Palestine with children and families.

A right wing march tries to reach the cenotaph. Mostly men, some giving Nazi salutes. They throw bottles at the police www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvgk7txA7hM

Whitewavemark2 Sat 11-Nov-23 14:41:30

Frankly I think those participating from all faiths and none should be congratulated for their cognisance of this day of sacred memory, and their respectful behaviour.

Fleurpepper Sat 11-Nov-23 14:49:43

A total and disgusting disgrace- and they call themselves British Patriots sad just sick. Wearing swastikas and making nazi salutes.

No families, women ad children there, sad Are you proud of them Kandinsky?

And again, this is not a matter of a 'difference of opinion' or 'freedom of speech'- it is about intent, nasty, vile, and totally disrespectul intent- at the Cenotaph.

The other March was planned and took place a long way away.

pascal30 Sat 11-Nov-23 15:13:32

Oh how I wish I'd moved to France before Brexit. I absolutely despair of our feeble, unhumanitarian government leaders.. even now that the main hospital inGaza is completely without supplies, electricity, water and food these ghastly people don't call for a ceasefire.. I simply don't believe that they can continue not only allow this genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza to continue but also say that Israel has the right to continue.. it's truly wicked

Fleurpepper Sat 11-Nov-23 15:24:24

Just beyond vile

x.com/ByDonkeys/status/1723305844488462514?s=20

pascal, President Macron has now clearly stated there should be a ceasefire, that indiscriminate bombing of civilians is illegal, and that he hopes others will join him - including the UK and the USA. Bravo.

Galaxy Sat 11-Nov-23 15:27:54

I loathe Tommy Robinson but I also have had deep concerns about the pro Palestine marches, which have included racism, its just a racism that is seen as different from TR's brand of racism.

pascal30 Sat 11-Nov-23 15:35:56

Fleurpepper

Just beyond vile

x.com/ByDonkeys/status/1723305844488462514?s=20

pascal, President Macron has now clearly stated there should be a ceasefire, that indiscriminate bombing of civilians is illegal, and that he hopes others will join him - including the UK and the USA. Bravo.

exactly why I wish I'd moved Fleur

Whitewavemark2 Sat 11-Nov-23 15:36:30

Galaxy

I loathe Tommy Robinson but I also have had deep concerns about the pro Palestine marches, which have included racism, its just a racism that is seen as different from TR's brand of racism.

The police have said that they will review footage and those breaking the law will be traced and dealt with. However listening to a police commentator, they are pleased and satisfied that the peace March is just that.

Joseann Sat 11-Nov-23 15:36:49

President Macron did not say that Israel's bombings were breaking international humanitarian law, so not illegal. He made it perfectly clear he is not a judge. Just he is calling for a ceasefire.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 11-Nov-23 15:38:04

The judgement of Sir Mark Rowley appears to be vindicated.

Galaxy Sat 11-Nov-23 15:39:52

Yes I am sure he did say that. Their handling of the last few weeks has been interesting to say the least.
I dont even know what definition people are using with regard to peace. People have used it on here to describe marches which have included three arrests for terrorism related offences.

Froglady Sat 11-Nov-23 15:39:58

maddyone

froglady
I find your response to me both offensive and uninformed.
And exceedingly rude!

My post was neither offensive nor uniformed. I expressed a different point of view to you. In this country that is allowed. I didn’t speak about you or say anything with regard to you. However you chose to be rude and offensive to me. Having a different opinion from you is neither offensive nor uniformed, it is simply different.

You said "people who have been marching on previous weekends have committed hate crimes by calling for
Jews to be eliminated"
If you had put "some people" then I wouldn't have taken umbrage with your post, but you didn't and your post read, in my opinion, that everybody taking part in the marches had committed hate crimes, etc, etc.
That was the point I was trying to make, not everybody on the marches hold those views.

MayBee70 Sat 11-Nov-23 15:40:01

Tommy Robinsons supporters remind me of those football hooligans that used to travel round the world causing trouble. Neither of them really interested in the cause they purport to support but just going anywhere that can get them into a fight.

Fleurpepper Sat 11-Nov-23 15:46:55

Joseann

President Macron did not say that Israel's bombings were breaking international humanitarian law, so not illegal. He made it perfectly clear he is not a judge. Just he is calling for a ceasefire.

you are right, he stopped at saying that directly, but if you listen again, this is clearly what he was saying- that Israel's Defence has to abide by International law.