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Should any marches around or near the Cenotaph this weekend not be allowed?

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maddyone Wed 08-Nov-23 09:58:48

Following the defacing of a Cenotaph in Rotherham yesterday, would it be advisable for the police to rule that marches in or around the area of the Cenotaph should not be allowed, this weekend only?
A poppy seller was attacked by people in a huge crowd this week, people who have been marching on previous weekends have committed hate crimes by calling for Jews to be eliminated. Should the sanctity of the Cenotaph and the Remembrance Service be at the mercy of the marchers to choose to do the right thing? Why was a Cenotaph thought to be a legitimate target in Rotherham?
Surely those who live in our liberal democracy should understand why this weekend is particularly special to so many people. Those of us who live in this country, a liberal democracy, should understand that compared to so many people in the world, we are very lucky to live in a country that affords us great freedoms, including the right to protest peacefully. Peaceful protest however, does not include the right to call for the deaths of other people, to attack poppy sellers or others, or to deface public buildings.
Why are the London police refusing to use the laws that are already available to ban any marching around this area for for this one weekend?

* [Typo in the title has now been edited by GNHQ]

Fleurpepper Sat 11-Nov-23 19:43:22

This was never around or near the Cenotaph.

I have seen posters today about Netanyahu, posted by Jewish Israelis- which were much more bloody about Netanyahu. The Israeli falg should not be there- as Netanyahu does NOT represent vast numbers of Jews, not in Israel and not outside.

Anniebach Sat 11-Nov-23 19:52:17

I cannot share the trust the number of arrests made in the
march

Fleurpepper Sat 11-Nov-23 19:54:29

Family and friends were marching for Peace and support for Palestine all over the world today- peacefully.

Iam64 Sat 11-Nov-23 19:55:34

Jewish people are free to carry their flag
I saw many draped over shoulders of Jewish visitors to Auschwitz

Milliedog Sat 11-Nov-23 19:56:15

It's a tough one, though I don't quite understand why a small group of quiet people praying outside an abortion clinic is not allowed but a large crowd marching and chanting as they progress along the streets holding up traffic etc IS allowed....

Milliedog Sat 11-Nov-23 19:58:06

AND have there been marches in support of the Jewish people traumatised by the deliberate massacre of their men, women and children? No....

Fleurpepper Sat 11-Nov-23 19:59:00

Iam64

Jewish people are free to carry their flag
I saw many draped over shoulders of Jewish visitors to Auschwitz

I was talking about the flag being on a poster carried on the march and posted above.

Milliedog Sat 11-Nov-23 20:01:24

I see the faces of my beautiful grandchildren in the faces of the children dug out of the rubble on Gaza, killed by rockets fired by people miles away. But I also imagine the faces of my grandchildren as the Hamas terrorist stands over them with murder in their eyes. There is such a thing as evil, and we know it.

Oreo Sat 11-Nov-23 20:14:10

Fleurpepper

Family and friends were marching for Peace and support for Palestine all over the world today- peacefully.

150 pro Palestine supporters were arrested today in London.
Nearly 100 counter protestors as well.
Far right thugs and hamas supporters, a real mixture.

Oreo Sat 11-Nov-23 20:16:32

Milliedog

AND have there been marches in support of the Jewish people traumatised by the deliberate massacre of their men, women and children? No....

No, just noisy protests about Gaza.

Oreo Sat 11-Nov-23 20:18:47

HettyBetty

Fleurpepper Troublemakers indeed. I believe R4 are saying 105 of them were arrested. I have not heard if any people on the main demo were arrested, does anybody know?

Yes 150 pro Palestinian supporters were arrested.

DaisyAnneReturns Sat 11-Nov-23 20:36:59

Statement from Sunak this evening.

I condemn the violent, wholly unacceptable scenes we have seen today from the EDL and associated groups

Those Braverman invited. 100% of those protesting and disrupting the service at the Senataph were facist/far-right thugs.

and Hamas sympathiser s attending the National March for Palestine.

A small percentage of the march who should, of course, be condemned for what they were chanting and what they were displaying.

The despicable actions of a minority of people undermine those who have chosen to express their views peacefully.

True

Remembrance weekend

No such thing. This happens as a weekend by natural rotation once every six to eight years.

is a time for us to come together as a nation and remember those who fought and died for our freedoms.

Untrue. Remembrance Sunday does remember this from WWII. Armistice Day remembers the end of WWI which was simply a war between countries. It was not a war to defend our freedoms. We remember people who gave their lives for the errors of politicians and the day the guns feel silent.

What we have seen today does not defend the honour of our Armed Forces, but utterly disrespects them. That is true for EDL thugs attacking police officers and trespassing on the Cenotaph,

True of 100% of those disrupting the service.

and it is true for those singing antisemitic chants and brandishing pro-Hamas signs and clothing on today’s protest.

This was a minority of marchers and the two groups are separate.

The fear and intimidation the Jewish Community have experienced over the weekend is deplorable.

Wherever this has happened, it is deplorable.

All criminality must be met with the full and swift force of the law. That is what I told the Met Police Commissioner on Wednesday,

That is not what he told the Met Commissioner on Wednesday. He told him to cancel the march today and the Met Commissioner did not agree.

that is what they are accountable for and that is what I expect. I will be meeting the Met Police Commissioner in the coming days.

Why? Isn't that the Home Secretaries job? Why is Sunak saying it will be him?

Source information: A Different Bias.

DaisyAnneReturns Sat 11-Nov-23 20:39:48

Oreo

Fleurpepper

Family and friends were marching for Peace and support for Palestine all over the world today- peacefully.

150 pro Palestine supporters were arrested today in London.
Nearly 100 counter protestors as well.
Far right thugs and hamas supporters, a real mixture.

What are Counter Protesters in this case? What was their
counter arguements?

DaisyAnneReturns Sat 11-Nov-23 20:40:52

Braverman should be charged with incitement.

Oreo Sat 11-Nov-23 20:46:34

I imagine the counter protesters were far right thugs, but the news item just said ‘counter protesters’.

Oreo Sat 11-Nov-23 20:47:23

I see nothing wrong in Sunak’s statement at all.

varian Sat 11-Nov-23 20:53:55

Oreo

HettyBetty

Fleurpepper Troublemakers indeed. I believe R4 are saying 105 of them were arrested. I have not heard if any people on the main demo were arrested, does anybody know?

Yes 150 pro Palestinian supporters were arrested.

Where does it say 150 pro-Palestinian marchers were arrested?

GrannyGravy13 Sat 11-Nov-23 20:54:41

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growstuff Sat 11-Nov-23 20:59:43

GrannyGravy13

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But they weren't actually arrested (unless I've misunderstood).

DaisyAnneReturns Sat 11-Nov-23 21:01:33

Oreo

I imagine the counter protesters were far right thugs, but the news item just said ‘counter protesters’.

But they were just thugs. Counter Protesters is surely a misnomer?

DaisyAnneReturns Sat 11-Nov-23 21:02:28

Oreo

I see nothing wrong in Sunak’s statement at all.

Of course you don't.

DaisyAnneReturns Sat 11-Nov-23 21:04:19

It will be interesting to watch PMQs next week.

MaizieD Sat 11-Nov-23 21:11:48

DaisyAnneReturns

Oreo

I imagine the counter protesters were far right thugs, but the news item just said ‘counter protesters’.

But they were just thugs. Counter Protesters is surely a misnomer?

'Counter protestors' is just Orwellian New Speak.

They weren't anywhere near the organised protest march and they weren't protesting about anything.

Oreo Sat 11-Nov-23 21:22:06

Take it up with the BBC and Sky News.
It’s not Orwellian at all, it’s simply easier for the news to say counter protesters as they don’t know the back story behind everyone taking part in the protest.Most will be EDL or football thugs but perhaps a few others as well.
They were protesting as they didn’t like the pro Palestine marchers doing this on the 11/11.

Fleurpepper Sat 11-Nov-23 21:22:24

Iam64

Jewish people are free to carry their flag
I saw many draped over shoulders of Jewish visitors to Auschwitz

Do you believe Palestinians are also allowed to carry their flag, or 'wear' one for that matter?