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Urmstongran Mon 13-Nov-23 08:47:23

A wise move? Or will he come to regret it?

Whitewavemark2 Mon 13-Nov-23 19:11:56

Esther McVey - minister for common sense

Dear oh dear oh dear.

LizzieDrip Mon 13-Nov-23 19:19:05

Gernanshepherdsmum I would argue that Cameron’s trashing of the country goes back much further than the Brexit referendum. He introduced austerity which was a way for the government to convince the electorate that public spending should be cut - an unnecessary action that began the decimation of public services. Then he called the Brexit referendum to quiet the Euro sceptics in his own party. The electorate was not calling for an in/out referendum on the EU. Cameron knew the risks for the country if the outcome was to leave - yet he put his own political career ahead of the good of the country. Also, his past record on foreign policy is hardly glowing. I loathe him!

MayBee70 Mon 13-Nov-23 20:32:14

They’re now saying it’s good to have someone with experience in government. They’ve been in power for how many years now 13? Surely they should have a bit of experience by now. Or, at least they would have had Johnson not thrown out as many experienced MP’s as he could. And let’s not forget Braverman rose to power quickly because Johnson needed an Attorney General that was prepared to help him to override the law of the land. I think people forget she was Attorney General: I reckon it still gives Dominic Grieve nightmares. I bet Rory will get some stick from Alastair about not knowing this was going to happen after he let slip that he emailed Sunak regularly! I really need a break from politics but it’s been a case of blink and you’ll miss it for years now! What next? Election? Vote of no confidence in Sunak?

Iam64 Mon 13-Nov-23 21:05:16

LizzieDrip

Gernanshepherdsmum I would argue that Cameron’s trashing of the country goes back much further than the Brexit referendum. He introduced austerity which was a way for the government to convince the electorate that public spending should be cut - an unnecessary action that began the decimation of public services. Then he called the Brexit referendum to quiet the Euro sceptics in his own party. The electorate was not calling for an in/out referendum on the EU. Cameron knew the risks for the country if the outcome was to leave - yet he put his own political career ahead of the good of the country. Also, his past record on foreign policy is hardly glowing. I loathe him!

This ! Austerity is a key part of his legacy. One of his particularly Bullingdon Boy contributions was the closure of Sure Start Family Centres. He said they weren’t being used by ‘the kind of people who need them but by families like his own”. Come to Blackburn, Burnley, Bolton, Accrington (and many more) so many of us shouted. He was mp for Witney, a market town in Oxfordshire. A very different demographic about which either he didn’t know or didn’t care.

Im livid to see him given a life peerage in order to bring him back into government.

It’s like Jaws - just when you think it can’t get worse, it does

MayBee70 Mon 13-Nov-23 23:05:35

From tonight’s TRIP Alastair seems to think Rwanda is going to get the go ahead. I hope he’s wrong although it will be interesting to see the backlash against it if it does.

nanna8 Mon 13-Nov-23 23:13:46

All I could say is - Strewth! What a dog’s breakfast.

LizzieDrip Mon 13-Nov-23 23:22:18

Agreed Iam64! Then of course, there was his infamous ‘cut the green crap’!!! Without that, millions more homes would have been properly insulated, and this country would have now been much more energy self sufficient. As the former PM he did untold damage to this country and look how he’s been rewarded. Once again, we see the Conservatives putting their own interests ahead of the country. I have to say, even with all the cr** that has happened in politics over the last few years, I have rarely been as angry as I am today at Cameron’s return, and the sneaky, secretive, undemocratic way it’s been implemented! Far from being ‘the cavalry’ to save the Tory’s skin, this looks like the desperate act of a floundering government. For Gods sake, put the country, and democracy, first - give us a General Election!

Callistemon21 Mon 13-Nov-23 23:36:51

LizzieDrip

Gernanshepherdsmum I would argue that Cameron’s trashing of the country goes back much further than the Brexit referendum. He introduced austerity which was a way for the government to convince the electorate that public spending should be cut - an unnecessary action that began the decimation of public services. Then he called the Brexit referendum to quiet the Euro sceptics in his own party. The electorate was not calling for an in/out referendum on the EU. Cameron knew the risks for the country if the outcome was to leave - yet he put his own political career ahead of the good of the country. Also, his past record on foreign policy is hardly glowing. I loathe him!

I would argue that Cameron’s trashing of the country goes back much further than the Brexit referendum.

I would argue that the referendum wasn't a deliberate trashing of the country by Cameron, it was a misjudgment of the mood of the country. It was a huge shock to Cameron when the country voted to leave, he thought it would be a resounding vote to stay and confirm our future in the EU.

It was Johnson who put the kybosh on all that.

maddyone Mon 13-Nov-23 23:44:26

I’m livid to see him given a life peerage in order to bring him back into government.

I’m also unhappy with this decision.

OldFrill Tue 14-Nov-23 01:29:48

maddyone

^I’m livid to see him given a life peerage in order to bring him back into government.^

I’m also unhappy with this decision.

Don't all PMs eventually get offered a peerage? As Blair was the last one offered and declined, Cameron would have been next to be offered one (unless he had been and declined until today). Quite a few have declined recently. Boris must be champing at the bit for his. Truss.....!

growstuff Tue 14-Nov-23 01:47:05

OldFrill

maddyone

I’m livid to see him given a life peerage in order to bring him back into government.

I’m also unhappy with this decision.

Don't all PMs eventually get offered a peerage? As Blair was the last one offered and declined, Cameron would have been next to be offered one (unless he had been and declined until today). Quite a few have declined recently. Boris must be champing at the bit for his. Truss.....!

What about Gordon Brown?

OldFrill Tue 14-Nov-23 01:48:28

Gordon Brown declined a peerage

CoolCoco Tue 14-Nov-23 06:20:36

Cameron’s misjudgement has led the U.K. to become an international basket case and now he’s foreign secretary. It would be funny if it wasn’t serious.

Urmstongran Tue 14-Nov-23 08:42:20

Cameron was a liability in the Lebanon. His track record abroad is abysmal.

Iam64 Tue 14-Nov-23 08:49:17

There’s a good meme circulating, I can’t link but - photograph of Cameron with the headline Rat boards sinking ship

ronib Tue 14-Nov-23 09:17:36

Last week I was thinking how much quieter and under the radar politics was and so unlike the way previous prime ministers had conducted business. Today I think Sunak clearly wants to stay in number 10 so the fight is back on. Still anybody’s guess as to outcome.

Grantanow Tue 14-Nov-23 10:25:32

Whitewavemark2

Esther McVey - minister for common sense

Dear oh dear oh dear.

gringringrin

Fleurpepper Tue 14-Nov-23 14:00:01

www.facebook.com/groups/tacticalvoting/permalink/1300544650630060/?mibextid=YxdKMJ

D E M O C R A C Y ? ? ?

and worse, as Cameron is from the House of Lords- he will not be answering questions in the House, or be accountable to the House ! ! !

Unelected at every step

ronib Tue 14-Nov-23 14:04:53

Fleurpepper Andrew Mitchell will supply answers in the Commons. Presumably Mitchell will be briefed by Cameron.
Quite honestly it’s quite minor in the scheme of things….

GrannyGravy13 Tue 14-Nov-23 14:07:37

Foreign Office Minister Andrew Mitchell MP, will represent Lord Cameron in the House of Commons and answer questions on his behalf.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 14-Nov-23 14:08:07

Oops crossed posts ronib

MerylStreep Tue 14-Nov-23 14:19:08

He’s nothing more than an Oxford educated shyster.

LizzieDrip Tue 14-Nov-23 14:32:08

Foreign Office Minister Andrew Mitchell MP, will represent Lord Cameron in the House of Commons and answer questions on his behalf.

Oh well that’s ok then! When he makes some disastrous error of judgement which, based on past form, he will do, it will be his minion who has to squirm under questioning by our democratically elected representatives in the HoC … not Cameron himself! Win win for him!!!

Fleurpepper Tue 14-Nov-23 14:49:08

LizzieDrip

*Foreign Office Minister Andrew Mitchell MP, will represent Lord Cameron in the House of Commons and answer questions on his behalf.*

Oh well that’s ok then! When he makes some disastrous error of judgement which, based on past form, he will do, it will be his minion who has to squirm under questioning by our democratically elected representatives in the HoC … not Cameron himself! Win win for him!!!

So just to recap, our unelected head of state, has given a position in Britain's unelected House of Lords to an unelected Foreign Secretary, on the recommendation of an unelected Prime Minister.

Lovetopaint037 Tue 14-Nov-23 15:02:34

He needed to distance himself from the extreme right and run a more centralised government. Hence Cameron’s reappearance. He also expected this would establish the idea of a serious, more experienced government after the shenanigans of the last three years.