The Supreme Court has ruled the Rwanda deportations are illegal

I have no problem with the UK taking it's fair share of asylum seekers. This is a world problem and as one of the wealthier countries and one, which in the past, has played it's part in creating unrest in foreign parts, we have a moral commitment to take our share. However, we need a functioning efficient system not the broken inefficient and under resourced one that we currently have under this govt. It is morally indefensible to try to palm off asylum seekers to any country without assessing their claim. IMO anyone who gets into a small boat and tries to cross the busiest shipping lane in the world is pretty desperate.

Whitewavemark2

It seems that they fully intend to pursue and upgrade the agreement with Rwanda.

It is just words - it simply won’t come about before the next election.

It’s their only idea of a solution. They’re suffering from tunnel vision and can’t see beyond the Rwanda solution. They can’t admit that they got it wrong.

What’s your solution MayBee?

JenniferEccles

Sorry but no they are not desperate, not in the way you mean LauraNorderr

Desperate to get here yes, as we are a soft touch, but as we all know, before they arrive here they have travelled through several perfectly safe European countries.

How many have you spoken to? Have you listened to any of their stories? How do you know they haven't been persecuted in their country of origin?

So what if they've travelled through safe European countries! Those countries don't owe the UK anything. If people want to come to the UK, it's not the business of any other country to stop them. Why it should it be?

LauraNorder
Money is being spent on speeding up the system. My daughter and her team are building a new computer program to speed up the system.

MayBee70
Egypt has been mentioned.

But we can’t just continue to take endless migrants who just fancy living here can we?
How many people could we be talking about, hundreds of thousands certainly, possibly millions.

Suppose a large number from Africa fancy coming here, or from the Middle East?

How will the country cope? We could be completely overwhelmed.
As it is the housing shortage is in a large part due to the rapidly rising population here, fuelled by immigration.

Our infrastructure is struggling to cope as it is.

Heaven help us then if Labour get in as they would do nothing to curb it.

MerylStreep

MayBee70
Egypt has been mentioned.

Forget Egypt!

They have taken in a huge amount of Sudanese which is costing Egypt an huge amount, and of course they have the Gaza issue on its doorstep.

Germanshepherdsmum

What’s your solution MayBee?

I don’t have a solution and I don’t deny that there is a problem. This is what governments are elected to do. But I don’t think the solution is that, if something is deemed to be illegal the solution is to either find a way round the law or change the law. I stupidly thought that this country had a good legal system: in fact the best in the world. So I’m shocked to find how wrong I have been up to this point. What I will say is that dehumanising people isn’t a solution. Especially as the very politicians that are dehumanising them are second or third generation immigrants themselves ( that’s the bit that really confuses me).

It’s an international problem. I’m embarrassed that some believe the channel should keel the uk asylum seeker free. Many of the asylum seekers come from countries that were British colonies or protectorates. Or countries like Lybia and Afghanistan - made even more unstable by our intervention

JenniferEccles

Sorry but no they are not desperate, not in the way you mean LauraNorderr

Desperate to get here yes, as we are a soft touch, but as we all know, before they arrive here they have travelled through several perfectly safe European countries.

I agree with all of your posts JenniferEccles.
A very close relative works in a detention centre.
Some on here would have a different opinion if they knew what I know. Obviously I can't say.
They have a better going on than we do. No wait to see a doctor, hospital or dentist.
No wonder people get angry.

I’m totally ashamed at the way this country and America have treated Afghanistan, especially the Afghan people that helped us.

The only reason the plan didn’t find favour with the SC was the choice of Rwanda, MayBee, so there is no reason why an acceptable safe third country should not be sought. There is no question of finding a way around the law or changing the law. You don’t seem to have understood the SC judgement. I don’t know what exactly you think is wrong with the legal system.

GSM of course! Because they were not asked to judge anything other than Rwanda.

Of course they weren’t! Only Rwanda was on the table.

sharon103

JenniferEccles

Sorry but no they are not desperate, not in the way you mean LauraNorderr

Desperate to get here yes, as we are a soft touch, but as we all know, before they arrive here they have travelled through several perfectly safe European countries.

I agree with all of your posts JenniferEccles.
A very close relative works in a detention centre.
Some on here would have a different opinion if they knew what I know. Obviously I can't say.
They have a better going on than we do. No wait to see a doctor, hospital or dentist.
No wonder people get angry.

Obviously you can't say!

Do you work for MI6?

It’s obvious why the information shouldn’t be passed on in an open forum.

I would add ‘and heating and three good meals a day’. Things that many posters here can’t afford.

Any other country that is likely to be deemed fit to accept refugees is already doing so. Most of them take far more than Britain. Refugees desperate to come here usually want to come because they speak the language or have family here. Why anyone would want to pass through all the EU countries to end up here in this mean spirited, broken country is beyond me but plenty do. They too are fed a nostalgic view of Britain as a place if sanctuary , where laws are upheld and the government acts with integrity and humanity. Oh those were the days.

Germanshepherdsmum

The only reason the plan didn’t find favour with the SC was the choice of Rwanda, MayBee, so there is no reason why an acceptable safe third country should not be sought. There is no question of finding a way around the law or changing the law. You don’t seem to have understood the SC judgement. I don’t know what exactly you think is wrong with the legal system.

Well, didn’t Boris Johnson plan to change it? And, if the government doesn’t agree with the ruling of the Supreme Court doesn’t that mean that they think there is something wrong with it?

sharon103 I don't know what sort of life you or your friend have but if you think life in a detention centre is "better" then I feel extremely sorry for you both. People held in detention centres are often locked up for 13 hours a day(if not longer), have no personal freedom, the food is generally dreadful and the conditions are pretty dreadful. There will be a doctor available but he is probably kept busy dealing with those who self harm or develop mental health problems. If you live in conditions worse than this then I am truly sad for you.

Germanshepherdsmum

Of course they weren’t! Only Rwanda was on the table.

Yes - I think our wires are crossed!

foxie48

sharon103 I don't know what sort of life you or your friend have but if you think life in a detention centre is "better" then I feel extremely sorry for you both. People held in detention centres are often locked up for 13 hours a day(if not longer), have no personal freedom, the food is generally dreadful and the conditions are pretty dreadful. There will be a doctor available but he is probably kept busy dealing with those who self harm or develop mental health problems. If you live in conditions worse than this then I am truly sad for you.

No no no. Not this particular one. I can't say of others.
Nobody is locked up. Excellent meals to choose from. In fact this person has her dinner there from the same canteen.
A gym, library, a choice of dvd's to watch etc. Activities. Special events at Christmas and other celebrations. Disco's, raffles. A shop to buy things from. snacks, toiletries.
I don't know where you have your information from but you are so so wrong to judge all detention centres as you quote.
The public don't get to hear all the good stuff.

JenniferEccles

Sorry but no they are not desperate, not in the way you mean LauraNorderr

Desperate to get here yes, as we are a soft touch, but as we all know, before they arrive here they have travelled through several perfectly safe European countries.

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growstuff

sharon103

JenniferEccles

Sorry but no they are not desperate, not in the way you mean LauraNorderr

Desperate to get here yes, as we are a soft touch, but as we all know, before they arrive here they have travelled through several perfectly safe European countries.

I agree with all of your posts JenniferEccles.
A very close relative works in a detention centre.
Some on here would have a different opinion if they knew what I know. Obviously I can't say.
They have a better going on than we do. No wait to see a doctor, hospital or dentist.
No wonder people get angry.

Obviously you can't say!

Do you work for MI6?

Cut the sarcasm. Of course I can't say on an open forum

sharon103

foxie48

sharon103 I don't know what sort of life you or your friend have but if you think life in a detention centre is "better" then I feel extremely sorry for you both. People held in detention centres are often locked up for 13 hours a day(if not longer), have no personal freedom, the food is generally dreadful and the conditions are pretty dreadful. There will be a doctor available but he is probably kept busy dealing with those who self harm or develop mental health problems. If you live in conditions worse than this then I am truly sad for you.

No no no. Not this particular one. I can't say of others.
Nobody is locked up. Excellent meals to choose from. In fact this person has her dinner there from the same canteen.
A gym, library, a choice of dvd's to watch etc. Activities. Special events at Christmas and other celebrations. Disco's, raffles. A shop to buy things from. snacks, toiletries.
I don't know where you have your information from but you are so so wrong to judge all detention centres as you quote.
The public don't get to hear all the good stuff.

It's not like that in Wethersfield - unless the leader of the local parish council was lying after his visit. His wife has called it a "stalag".

PS. They're not bleeding heart lefties either.