The Supreme Court has ruled the Rwanda deportations are illegal

Hooray for sense the only people thinking it was a good idea were racists and far right well they’re the same thing really
Now we just need to start treating refugees legal or not as human beings and very often useful human beings
I d happily swap refugees for British child molesters now let’s consider sending them to Rwanda

Mollygo

GrannyGravy13

Let’s hope that the Government has a Plan B, as the current situation is untenable.

It is not fair on the refugees/migrants, it is not fair on the communities who have a sudden influx of young men (with nothing to occupy them) nor is it sustainable for the public purse.

What we need is a Labour government. I’m sure they’ve got a solution to stopping the influx of young men, or all those risking their lives in the little boats and paying a fortune to do so, which leaves them penniless when they get here.

Yes indeed Mollygo, that is what we need. Labour have a plan that has a much greater chance of success.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/27/starmer-plan-stop-the-boats-why-labour-policy-will-work

Oh thank you foxie. I thought you were talking about asylum seekers, but you’re talking about people whose asylum applications have been refused. I guess they must be put into detention centres. I would hope that if they’re housed in a detention centre prior to deportation, the detention there should be a very short time. But maybe it’s not.

maddyone

Oh thank you foxie. I thought you were talking about asylum seekers, but you’re talking about people whose asylum applications have been refused. I guess they must be put into detention centres. I would hope that if they’re housed in a detention centre prior to deportation, the detention there should be a very short time. But maybe it’s not.

People from the Windrush generation who were here quite legally and had British citizenship were held in detention centres and then deported. Really shocking. About 50% are eventually given right to stay, and there have been cases of people held for 2 or more years before being released. Sadly not a shining example of British efficiency. We really should be able to act more humanely.

foxie48

maddyone

Oh thank you foxie. I thought you were talking about asylum seekers, but you’re talking about people whose asylum applications have been refused. I guess they must be put into detention centres. I would hope that if they’re housed in a detention centre prior to deportation, the detention there should be a very short time. But maybe it’s not.

People from the Windrush generation who were here quite legally and had British citizenship were held in detention centres and then deported. Really shocking. About 50% are eventually given right to stay, and there have been cases of people held for 2 or more years before being released. Sadly not a shining example of British efficiency. We really should be able to act more humanely.

I think you are a bit muddled up. Can you rewrite that post.

foxie, thanks for highlighting what happened to some wind rush people

My experience of asylum seekers isn’t vast but it’s genuine. Generally genuine people, escaping death, wanting to work. We should allow then to work as their claims are processed. One family I know well escaped certain death for political reasons. The and their 4 adult children eventually granted asylum. Mrs asylum is a fantastic foster carer, mr was a uni lecturer, now teaches English to refugee children who arrive with no English, helps them progress from his school into local schools. Three of their children already qualified and working in nhs, one at university. I could go on,
My experience of our immigrant communities is no different than our white British community. Mixed but generally positive. Most people work hard. Most immigrants want a better life so contribute
I might be leftie leaning but I’m not inexperienced or naive

On the News tonight, Yvette Cooper, Shadow Home Secretary, was asked what Labour will do if (when) in power, to sort things.

She said they will tackle the gangs who get paid by the migrants to get them across here, or words to that effect.

Didn’t say how they were going to do that though.

I am glad she did not say how they might do it - I am assuming she is intelligent enough to realise that it is complicated and nuanced and will require a lot of work and research. Better that than simplistic ill-thought-out illegal policies that put fellow humans at risk, and put our country, with its proud record of welcoming refugees, on course to withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights - what a total disgrace that would be.

Can those that want everyone to come here, tell me where they are to go, our own people can’t get even a rented place. If these people are desperate why don’t they stay in the first safe country. They come here as we are a soft touch,

foxie48

If the govt decides to take us out of the ECHR, I for one, would be prepared to come out onto the streets and march in protest. Or, perhaps they will have changed the law to prevent protests?? I find the thinking and direction of this govt increasingly worrying. Identify scapegoats, use inflammatory language, try to do things contrary to the law, try to change the law so they can do what they want. I know this sounds alarmist but I genuinely feel that unless the Conservative party moves away from it's right wingers we could become increasingly undemocratic.

I think we would have to foxie.

Why, oh why are people prepared to give up there own human rights?!

DAR - I fear people who reject the EHRC don’t realise they’d be giving up their own rights, just that ”illegals’ should have no rights at all, ever

Why couldn’t the government have spent all those millions on hiring more staff & centres to process the screening of migrants? The situation we have is ridiculous. Moves at a snail pace - understandably as there is a lot of checking to do if people arrive without passports etc - so that’s fair enough. But why not increase the cohort of checkers?

Nearly 700 migrants arrived just on Monday. At this rate more migrants arrive daily than get dealt with from the huge backlog of thousands. That must feel dispiriting for the staff trying to sort them out. You’d go home from work pretty demoralised I expect.

Another day at work, another boatload ...

DaisyAnneReturns

foxie48

If the govt decides to take us out of the ECHR, I for one, would be prepared to come out onto the streets and march in protest. Or, perhaps they will have changed the law to prevent protests?? I find the thinking and direction of this govt increasingly worrying. Identify scapegoats, use inflammatory language, try to do things contrary to the law, try to change the law so they can do what they want. I know this sounds alarmist but I genuinely feel that unless the Conservative party moves away from it's right wingers we could become increasingly undemocratic.

I think we would have to foxie.

Why, oh why are people prepared to give up there own human rights?!

Because they don’t realise that something that will take basic human rights from a refugee might actually take away their rights, too. Because they think they’re a different sort of human being and untouchable.

Germanshepherdsmum

I expect the centres differ growstuff. Life didn’t look bad on the barge for instance, apart from legionnaires! My son lives very close to Wethersfield. I think work there is ongoing as the air base had been abandoned with the intention of redevelopment and they don’t yet know if the council’s challenge will succeed (which I hope it does - the proposal has killed the local property market).

And I thought residents were concerned about the location of the airbase as unsuitable because it's remote. The latest is that they're concerned that there are two gun clubs located nearby and asylum seekers will be traumatised. I didn't realise the main concern was house prices.

Urmstongran - come on now, don’t be bringing your older northern woman experience and advice to our glorious government.
There’s a Big Risk we may be coming at this with practical advice, despite setting off from opposite ends of the political spectrum

Allsorts

Can those that want everyone to come here, tell me where they are to go, our own people can’t get even a rented place. If these people are desperate why don’t they stay in the first safe country. They come here as we are a soft touch,

Is there anybody on GN (or even in the whole country) who wants everyone to come here?

So you seriously think all asylum seekers should stay in Greece or Italy? Do you realise how lucky the UK is that it's the end of the line? BTW the majority of asylum seekers aren't even heading for the UK.

Calendargirl

On the News tonight, Yvette Cooper, Shadow Home Secretary, was asked what Labour will do if (when) in power, to sort things.

She said they will tackle the gangs who get paid by the migrants to get them across here, or words to that effect.

Didn’t say how they were going to do that though.

Well, they could start by reversing the savage funding cuts to the agencies responsible for tackling smuggling gangs.

JudyBloom

JenniferEccles is right, they have come through safe countries.

So?

Those safe countries have no obligation to accept them.

Iam64

DAR - I fear people who reject the EHRC don’t realise they’d be giving up their own rights, just that ”illegals’ should have no rights at all, ever

I know, Iam and MayBee I know, but it is is amazingly sad.

And we have seen if all before.

Oreo

The Rwanda plan is still on.
RS on tv now saying just that.There will be a treaty ready to go through Parliament to show Rwanda is safe for the immigrants, and if all else fails he wouldn’t allow the court in Strasbourg to scupper it.

And I believe every word RS says!

Have you read the full judgment?

The Supreme Court certainly doesn't agree that Rwanda is safe for asylum seekers. The ECHR is only a small part of it.

DaisyAnneReturns

Iam64

DAR - I fear people who reject the EHRC don’t realise they’d be giving up their own rights, just that ”illegals’ should have no rights at all, ever

I know, Iam and MayBee I know, but it is is amazingly sad.

And we have seen if all before.

TBH I'm not sure I have ever seen anything like this before - not in the UK anyway.

Iam64

foxie, thanks for highlighting what happened to some wind rush people

My experience of asylum seekers isn’t vast but it’s genuine. Generally genuine people, escaping death, wanting to work. We should allow then to work as their claims are processed. One family I know well escaped certain death for political reasons. The and their 4 adult children eventually granted asylum. Mrs asylum is a fantastic foster carer, mr was a uni lecturer, now teaches English to refugee children who arrive with no English, helps them progress from his school into local schools. Three of their children already qualified and working in nhs, one at university. I could go on,
My experience of our immigrant communities is no different than our white British community. Mixed but generally positive. Most people work hard. Most immigrants want a better life so contribute
I might be leftie leaning but I’m not inexperienced or naive

You can add to not being different from the settled British community that these people have had the resilience, bravery and entrepreneurship to leave the comfort zone of their home country behind and travel halfway across the world, knowing that their lives are at risk.

growstuff

JudyBloom

JenniferEccles is right, they have come through safe countries.

So?

Those safe countries have no obligation to accept them.

Neither should we.

growstuff

DaisyAnneReturns

Iam64

DAR - I fear people who reject the EHRC don’t realise they’d be giving up their own rights, just that ”illegals’ should have no rights at all, ever

I know, Iam and MayBee I know, but it is is amazingly sad.

And we have seen if all before.

TBH I'm not sure I have ever seen anything like this before - not in the UK anyway.

I was looking back into history growstuff.

Oreo

He will try very hard to achieve this before an election is called I bet.
Any party which can stop the boats will do well in the election, like it or not.

Any party which thinks it can "stop the boats" is living in cloud cuckoo land and anybody who thinks that any of the current plans will work needs to give their head a wobble.

Resources for investigating trafficking gangs have been slashed. The UK has refused to take up offers for processing in France. The UK has also cut the number of claims being processed, so people are left in limbo.

What we've seen over the last year or so is loud-mouthed rhetoric, which hasn't a hope in hell of reducing the number of asylum seekers, but it persuades a few people that something "is being done".