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Charles III gets North Westerners money!

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Glorianny Fri 24-Nov-23 12:57:38

It seems that if you die without making a will in the NW and relatives can't be found the money goes to the Duchy of Lancaster. Charles made £26 million. Surely this isn't right. The Duchy of Cornwall can also claim. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/23/how-royal-estates-use-bona-vacantia-to-collect-money-from-dead-people-king-charles#:~:text=The%20duchies%20of%20Lancaster%20and%20Cornwall%20retained%20the%20custom%20of,on%20the%20administration%20of%20wills.

Callistemon21 Mon 27-Nov-23 19:02:53

Grany

Callistemon21

So many myths and conspiracy theories abound that, even when established and checkable proven facts are stated, some people prefer not to believe them.

Some posts are just risible, eg
The RF don't work hard they have much free time

At what age did you retire, Grany?

Work ha
If you call having many servants being ferried around ect, turning up to an engagement near their homes typically last an hour, go many days with nothing use public funds for their own pleasure. It all adds up to a mater of two or three months at the most of 'work' for the year.

These are facts

Well, if you believe that, please carry on. 🙂

The truth, however, is somewhat different.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 27-Nov-23 19:10:56

I don’t think Grany has the slightest idea of how many engagements members of the RF carry out. I wonder how she’d cope with Princess Anne’s workload.

Anniebach Mon 27-Nov-23 19:17:18

Surely Clarence House is further away from Wales than an hour Grany

Callistemon21 Mon 27-Nov-23 19:26:37

Germanshepherdsmum

I don’t think Grany has the slightest idea of how many engagements members of the RF carry out. I wonder how she’d cope with Princess Anne’s workload.

And the amount of homework Anne puts in before engagements because she is very much on top of her brief, knows what she is talking about and engages with the members of the public she meets, asking informed and pertinent questions about them and their organisations.

I met her at just one of three varied, disparate (and long) engagements in one day, hundreds of miles apart, exhausting at any age.

MaizieD Mon 27-Nov-23 19:55:06

While it may have been established by statute law by Henry VIII it was, I think, common law long before that.

As I said before, it works on the principle that the monarch owns all the land in their kingdom.

Many of our ancient (and not so ancient) landed families had their land given to them by the monarch. It was to buy or reward their loyalty. If a family rebelled against the monarch, the monarch would confiscate their land and give it to someone else. It happened quite often in mediaeval times.

MaizieD Mon 27-Nov-23 20:00:06

I met her at just one of three varied, disparate (and long) engagements in one day, hundreds of miles apart, exhausting at any age.

We had the Duke of Kent visit the institution I volunteer at about 4 years ago. It was on his 80th birthday. We were the second of 3 visits he was making in our area. Not a schedule I'd fancy, and I'm nowhere near 80.

MaizieD Mon 27-Nov-23 20:01:36

Sorry, post at 19.55 was to naderturbe. I forgot to quote hers.

nadateturbe Mon 27-Nov-23 20:37:29

But MaisieD surely in the 21st century we don't think if was right that the monarch should own all the land and be able to give it to others. Its ludicrous. Time to take it back.

Grany Mon 27-Nov-23 20:44:33

Hard Working Royals

m.youtube.com/watch?v=c5NpJnw7thY&pp=ygUkUmVwdWJsaWNjYW1wYWlnbiBoYXJkIHdvcmtpbmcgcm95YWxz

MaizieD Mon 27-Nov-23 22:14:40

nadateturbe

But MaisieD surely in the 21st century we don't think if was right that the monarch should own all the land and be able to give it to others. Its ludicrous. Time to take it back.

Don't ask me. I'm really not particularly bothered about where the estates of dead people end up in a couple of areas of the UK.

There are people of enormous wealth who have done, and are doing, far more damage to the UK than poor King Charles. The monarch who was forced to read out that his government intended to practically abandon the UK's targets for reducing carbon emissions when he has been a lifelong environmentalist... And mocked for it in the past. I feel rather sorry for him.

I read that his own Duchy, when he was Prince of Wales, did make over the bona vacantia profits to charity. I suspect that he didn't even realise that his mother's Duchy didn't. Though I think that 'ethical investments' is a bit of a pathetic response to the outcry... However, it's a start.

Callistemon21 Mon 27-Nov-23 22:15:50

MaizieD

^I met her at just one of three varied, disparate (and long) engagements in one day, hundreds of miles apart, exhausting at any age.^

We had the Duke of Kent visit the institution I volunteer at about 4 years ago. It was on his 80th birthday. We were the second of 3 visits he was making in our area. Not a schedule I'd fancy, and I'm nowhere near 80.

Oh yes, the Duke of Kent has been here too more than once, he looked frail but stood proud to take the salute. He was 87 the last time he came.

I couldn't stand for that long and I'm younger than him!

Callistemon21 Mon 27-Nov-23 22:21:44

nadateturbe

But MaisieD surely in the 21st century we don't think if was right that the monarch should own all the land and be able to give it to others. Its ludicrous. Time to take it back.

Time to take it back

And give it to whom?

The estates of those who die intestate - who exactly should take the proceeds? I think the Monarch probably does more good with them than the Government ever would, it would be going to their cronies.

It depends who you think is more ethical, who keeps financial records open to scrutiny.
I think Queen Elizabeth and now King Charles are far more ethical than, for example, Boris Johnson who seemed to "lose" £billions to his friends.

MaizieD Mon 27-Nov-23 22:23:13

Oh, he must have been 83 or 84 when he came to us, then.

He wouldn't let us sing Happy Birthday grin

Callistemon21 Mon 27-Nov-23 22:25:40

No cake? 🎂

MaizieD Mon 27-Nov-23 22:31:59

Callistemon21

No cake? 🎂

I think he had a special lunch. Which had to be eaten in 20 minute flat...

Grany Mon 27-Nov-23 22:55:48

Did you see the video
Hard Working Royals?

Proves they don't work hard. You can still support the royals but don't pretend they work hard they don't.

You say what about our history the pageantry well we will see more of our history if the RF moved out (they are rich would have somewhere to live) of castles palaces grand houses Tourism would increase more money to the treasury won't be spending £345 million on RF By the way Republics have pageantry. We would be a Democratic country and a say in how our country is run. Ireland President cost £4 million ours is a bit more expensive don't know how we benefit from a RF

DaisyAnneReturns Mon 27-Nov-23 23:24:11

Grany

Hard Working Royals

m.youtube.com/watch?v=c5NpJnw7thY&pp=ygUkUmVwdWJsaWNjYW1wYWlnbiBoYXJkIHdvcmtpbmcgcm95YWxz

More extremist rubbish? I

DaisyAnneReturns Mon 27-Nov-23 23:31:35

nadateturbe

But MaisieD surely in the 21st century we don't think if was right that the monarch should own all the land and be able to give it to others. Its ludicrous. Time to take it back.

Why? Is it wrong then, that you or I own our own homes? Or that your us bigger or has more land than mine or vice versa? If you extend this you have communism where everything us owned by the state - then a new aristocracy rises out of the ashes. Haven't you read animal farm!

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 28-Nov-23 09:05:14

More of your Republic rubbish Grany. They’ve brainwashed you.

nadateturbe Tue 28-Nov-23 11:44:44

Yes I have read animal farm. I own my home because I worked to pay for it. Have you not read your history?

nadateturbe Tue 28-Nov-23 11:46:48

Grany 11/10 for perseverance!

nadateturbe Tue 28-Nov-23 11:48:29

There are people of enormous wealth who have done, and are doing, far more damage to the UK than poor King Charles
Irrelevant.

Casdon Tue 28-Nov-23 12:09:50

nadateturbe

*There are people of enormous wealth who have done, and are doing, far more damage to the UK than poor King Charles*
Irrelevant.

Glib criticisms which don’t offer viable and acceptable to the majority of the population alternatives to the status quo are what is irrelevant. Most people don’t want a republic, according to surveys rather than the shouters.

nadateturbe Tue 28-Nov-23 12:43:22

No shouting here Casdon. Republicans are entitled to their views.
But I wasn't actually talking about an alternative to the monarchy in my earlier posts. I was talking about making the monarchy more acceptable by changing a law which I believe is wrong.

nadateturbe Tue 28-Nov-23 13:14:43

On whether the Royal Family is good value for money, 75% of the over-65s believe they are, but only 34% of 18 to 24-year-olds feel the same. And while 80% of the over-65s want Britain to stay as a monarchy, that falls to 37% for the 18 to 24-year-olds.4 Sept 2023
www.bbc.co.uk › news
Generations sharply divided over keeping monarchy - BBC News