Charles III gets North Westerners money!

Callistemon21

^No, it's assets of someone 'daft enough' to not have any traceable living relatives^

There's always Battersea Digs' Home, MaizieD! Or a local animal sanctuary.
Or a charity close to someone's heart.

Well, there could be anything that someone could leave their property to, but if they haven't made a will and no living relatives can be traced the property reverts to the Crown. That's the current law.

All this anti monarchy angst seems to me to be a waste of time. There are far more important things to worry about which have a direct bearing on living people's lives.

Yes, indeed.

If someone has no relatives and makes a will leaving everything to charity they could make a difference.

Casdon wrote:

"---I think the monarchy itself is changing to better meet what the public requires of it.--"
The landed and moneyed class will find ways and means to preserve old privileges.

The mayor of Greater Manchester, Andy Burnham, is calling on the government to launch a public consultation over the way the king’s estate collects money from people who die with no will or next of kin, calling it “a bizarre remnant of feudal Britain”.

He'd be better advising people how they can make a will. No-one has to have their estate claimed by the Duchy and donated to good causes.

They can choose a good cause of their own and make a will, free of charge by doing so.

Why whinge about something when it is so easily avoided?
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I get that people should make a will. But why should it go to the Kings Estate??

The disgusting existence of royal windfalls from dead people should be ended forthwith. The duchies of Cornwall and Lancaster should be transferred immediately to the publicly owned crown estate'

The Crown Estate is not publicly owned Grany. It belongs to the monarch and is owned by each monarch for the duration of their reign.

Myths of monarchy

No benefit from tourism people would come here, without that family in their palaces. Most of their homes are publicly funded or heavily subsidised.

Brand Finance made an error when calculating money brought in because of royals and were corrected.

How about RF don't do much for charity. Charities shouldn't expect RF to help much because they don't. A comprehensive report looking into RF and Charities. Giving Evidence

So that leaves having a Democratically Elected Head of State to consider. A real democracy for Briton. We could choose who we want.

Did I say that the HoS does not hold this government PM to account for any and the many wrong doings that have happened with the Conservatives no?

Because Charles can't
monarchy gives all power to government PM Charles can only do what the PM asks.

So monarchy gets a lot of money £ many millions plus £100 million security guarding their many homes around the clock.

The RF don't work hard they have much free time.

We could have a HoS that would work hard in the interest of the people. His main job would be defending the laws of our countries constitution.

So many myths and conspiracy theories abound that, even when established and checkable proven facts are stated, some people prefer not to believe them.

Some posts are just risible, eg
The RF don't work hard they have much free time

At what age did you retire, Grany?

nadateturbe

I get that people should make a will. But why should it go to the Kings Estate??

Could someone give me a rational answer please.

nadateturbe

nadateturbe

I get that people should make a will. But why should it go to the Kings Estate??

Could someone give me a rational answer please.

Your assets will only go to the Duchy if you die without a will and no known relatives. There is a burgeoning heir hunter business who try to trace distant when someone dies intestate.

Much better to make a will and leave your money to who you want or a charity of your choice.

*distant/long lost relatives

Callistemon21

So many myths and conspiracy theories abound that, even when established and checkable proven facts are stated, some people prefer not to believe them.

Some posts are just risible, eg
The RF don't work hard they have much free time

At what age did you retire, Grany?

Work ha
If you call having many servants being ferried around ect, turning up to an engagement near their homes typically last an hour, go many days with nothing use public funds for their own pleasure. It all adds up to a mater of two or three months at the most of 'work' for the year.

These are facts

nadateturbe

nadateturbe

I get that people should make a will. But why should it go to the Kings Estate??

Could someone give me a rational answer please.

The assets go to the Crown because, in theory, the monarch 'owns' all the land that they reign over.

I'm not sure how far back in history this principle stems from, people are talking about it being 'feudal', but it could well pre-date the Normans.

Most bona vacantia money goes to the Treasury, as does the income from the Crown Estates, but the Duchy of Lancaster was made a private possession of the monarch in mediaeval times, and the Duchy of Cornwall likewise for the heir to the throne.

Bona vacantia appears to apply in Scotland, I have no idea whether it applies in NI. I suspect that it does.

This may not be a 'rational answer' in your eyes, but this is the legal position.

Grany
These are facts
Well, they’re your facts and you believe them. I’d be more inclined to think they might be true if you weren’t always sounding off about something-with facts or not.

I think that some people Grany in particular should perhaps watch progtammes like Heir Hunter. This explains thoroughly what happens when a person dies intestate and no relatives can be found.

Lists of such estates are regularly published and there are firms of investigators who rush to get hold of the lists and search for possible heirs.

Several years ago my BIL was contacted by such a firm because a lady with the same name had died in a nursing home. He thought that it was a scam but my DH contacted the firm and became apparent that the deceased was not a relative. Shame because her estate was worth £100k (about 25 years ago).

These firms go to great lengths, delving back into ancestors of the deceased and their families. Often the beneficiaries have no idea that the deceased person ever existeddor was connected to them.

The Emperor doesn't have any clothes on!

Presumably the Heir Hunters charge a commission according to the value of the estate?

One must reiterate that if someone dies intestate and blood relatives are known there isn't a problem, the relatives get the money (apart from, perhaps, the usual problems associated with money and family fallouts ☹ ).

I have heard that the commission can be up to 30% - but if you wouldn’t otherwise have known 70% is better than nothing. I used to enjoy watching Heir Hunters (don’t know if it’s still on) and always despised those who, having been given a clue by the company, decided to dispense with their services and make a claim themselves - not easy if you’re not a competent genealogist.

Thanks for your explanation MaisieD.
It's the legal position. There's no good reason other than obviously in the past it was decided the King should get it..by whom?
But laws can be changed. This one should be imo.

I was ‘found’ by Heirhunters and inherited £32K from a relative I didn’t know existed. They don’t give out any information until you have signed a declaration that they will handle the case. They really only act as the middle man between the claimant and the deceased’s solicitors. All the claimants have to agree to the same solicitor representing them.

We were charged £5,000 each by HH and this was deducted before I received the cheque for 27,000.

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Time to take back the Duchies: Republic
Campaigners have called on the government to take back possession of the Duchies of Lancaster and Duchy. The call follows detailed research in the Guardian which throws light on the vast fortunes the royals are raking in from the two estates.

Republic points out that the Duchies are state property and belong to the Crown. The royals are being dishonest in claiming they are private estates.

Speaking for Republic, Graham Smith said:

"The history of the Duchies is the same as the history of other Crown lands. The historical records show that these estates have in the past been clearly viewed as state property, in the gift of parliament."

"There is no justification for allowing Charles and William to rake in incomes of more than £20m a year each from these estates. That money could be spent on public services."

"Over the past several decades the royals have persuaded the public and the press that these estates are private. They are not, and the royals should be called out for this sleight of hand."

"The combined profits of the two Duchies, more than £40m a year, could be spent on struggling schools, underfunded health services or helping the poorest communities. Instead it goes into the pockets of Charles and William."

The law of Bona Vacantia was properly established by King Henry III when he set up the office of the Royal Escheator. Bona Vacantia is a law that allows the monarch to take control of property that remains unclaimed after a person’s death.

The above is a quote from this article.

What Happens When People Die With No Will or Heirs? | Harrison Drury www.harrison-drury.com/home-family/happens-people-die-no-will-heirs/