So pleased to see hostages being released.

well it appears you don’t know a great deal, so it was a well meant suggestion

It was rude!

Don’t presume anything reported is true

It’s reported Palestinians are poor. Is it not true?
It’s reported that aid was not allowed into Gaza. Is it not true?
It’s reported that several thousand Palestinians have been killed. Is it not true?

Works both ways!

Close to the wire anti Zionist/antisemitism
Glorianny

The Gaza’s Health Ministry is 100% controlled by Hamas, is their truth believable?

The WHO has appealed for protection for health services
www.emro.who.int/media/news/who-appeals-for-protection-of-the-health-system-from-further-attacks-and-degradation-of-its-capacity.html
Their estimates of the people displaced, the hospitals not functioning, the lack of healthcare and the attacks isn't questionable surely.
Past conflicts have always shown the figures on death and injury supplied by the Gazan Health Ministry have been very accurate.
When the figures were disputed
In response to these accusations, the GHM released a full list of the people killed at the time since October 7, a 200-page document with 6,747 identified individuals listing their names, ages, and ID number as well as 281 unidentified victims. Commentators pointed out that GHM's numbers have historically been considered reliable by the United Nations, the World Health Organization, Human Rights Watch, and the United States Department of State.[17][18][19] Omar Shakir, Israel and Palestine director at Human Rights Watch, said "the numbers coming out of the ministry are not beyond reason", and noted a grey area in differentiating combatants from civilians among the dead, as well as emphasized that immediately released figures may often be different from those ultimately based on recorded data.[20]

Palestinian political analyst Nour Odeh has asserted the process of issuing death certificates is not done by political figures, but by health professionals, insisting "this process enables families to deal with issues such as inheritance and custody of children whose parents have died."[15]

Here’s a good idea, all those neighbouring countries who hate Israelis but love Palestinians can open their borders immediately and take in and look after the 2 million starting with Egypt opening the border at Rafah.All they do at the moment is wring their hands and say the Palestinians have nowhere to go, well that’s the solution.Then the IDF can get on with flushing out the tunnels and hamas.

Oreo

Here’s a good idea, all those neighbouring countries who hate Israelis but love Palestinians can open their borders immediately and take in and look after the 2 million starting with Egypt opening the border at Rafah.All they do at the moment is wring their hands and say the Palestinians have nowhere to go, well that’s the solution.Then the IDF can get on with flushing out the tunnels and hamas.

Why should the Palestinians be displaced? If I suggested such a solution for the people of Israel I would be accused quite rightly of anti-semitism. What's the word for someone who would happily displace a whole race?
Over 1 million Palestinians have had to leave their homes because of Israeli bombing
Some of these families have been displaced one generation after another and now the next generation are to be moved on. It is pure ethnic cleansing.

Oreo

Here’s a good idea, all those neighbouring countries who hate Israelis but love Palestinians can open their borders immediately and take in and look after the 2 million starting with Egypt opening the border at Rafah.All they do at the moment is wring their hands and say the Palestinians have nowhere to go, well that’s the solution.Then the IDF can get on with flushing out the tunnels and hamas.

Why on earth should neighbouring countries have to take in Palestinians? I can't imagine too many people in the UK would be best pleased if we were suddenly told (or pressurised) into accepting over two million French or Irish.

Palestinians are in Gaza and the West Bank following international treaties. It's their land and nobody has the right to tell them to go elsewhere.

Gaza was controlled by Egypt until 1967, when Israel took control after initiating the Six-Day War. If Israel didn't want Gaza, it shouldn't have gone to war to seize it. It can't just dump the people back on Egypt now they've proved to be a problem.

GrannyGravy13

The Gaza’s Health Ministry is 100% controlled by Hamas, is their truth believable?

No, not 100%.

maddyone

^well it appears you don’t know a great deal, so it was a well meant suggestion ^

It was rude!

But true.

Still rude, but reflects rather more on the writer than the recipient.

Oreo

Here’s a good idea, all those neighbouring countries who hate Israelis but love Palestinians can open their borders immediately and take in and look after the 2 million starting with Egypt opening the border at Rafah.All they do at the moment is wring their hands and say the Palestinians have nowhere to go, well that’s the solution.Then the IDF can get on with flushing out the tunnels and hamas.

A better idea would be for you to put away your wooden spoon and stop stirring.

What Hamas did on October 7 was abhorrent, and without doubt they committed war crimes. It doesn’t in any way excuse them but the war did not start then, there is a long-standing context to their actions. The massive push to reignite outrage over October 7 using rape allegations is that if Hamas fighters did sexually assault any Israeli women during the attack, then everyone has to shut up and let Israel keep murdering children by the thousands.

The Israeli propagandists are going to keep trying to find new reasons to reignite your outrage over October 7, because that is their only justification for a months-long mass genocide that is far, far worse than anything that happened on October 7.

I know exactly what the response of most posters will be. The endless criticism of Hamas will be repeated, with Palestinian children blamed for their own deaths. The only way to have more sympathy for the 1200 Israelis killed on October 7 than the 16,000+ Palestinians who’ve been killed in Gaza since is to believe Palestinians are subhumans whose lives are worth a tiny fraction of what Israeli lives are worth, and this appears to be exactly what some of you think. But there is nothing you can say that will cause me to cease opposing the murder of children. I hope that one day you will realise you aren’t supporting “the good guys”.

Sadly if Netanyahu's strategy with regard to Hamas had been different he wouldn't have such a problem to deal with in Gaza.
“Those who want to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state should support the strengthening of Hamas and the transfer of money to Hamas,” he stated at a Likud party meeting in March 2019. “This is part of our strategy, to differentiate between the Palestinians in Gaza and the Palestinians in Judea and Samaria.”

If he had heeded the warnings that Hamas was preparing for a terrorist strike, he might not have moved troops from protecting the Kibbutz near to Gaza to the West Bank to protect illegal settlers, then they would have had some protection from the atrocities committed by Hamas.

Of course none of this is an excuse for the actions of Hamas ( I feel I need to keep saying this) but Netanyahu and his govt has to accept some responsibility in failing to provide security for Israeli citizens and deliberately supporting Hamas so that it was an effective opposition to Fatah but also became a real threat to the security of Israel.

Netanyahu's trial for corruption recommenced on Monday but some are concerned that the latest changes in the law could be used to protect him against prosecution. IMO he is finished politically once the war is over and Israel will be better for that, whether he will end up in prison for corruption or war crimes is another matter.

bmacca IMO there are two sets of bad guys here, Hamas and the Netanyahu Govt. What some seem to find difficult to accept is that it is possible to be highly critical of both but supportive of the Palestinian and the Israeli people.

Bmacca I know exactly what the response of most posters will be. The endless criticism of Hamas will be repeated, with Palestinian children blamed for their own deaths.

Really? Surely most posters would be horrified at the loss of all the lives on both sides of this terrible fighting, especially for the innocent children involved,

Bmacca the fact that you are accusing posters of not caring about the deaths of innocent Palestinian children is quite frankly disgusting.

Added to your comments rape allegations along with if Hamas fighters did sexually assault any Israeli women during the attack gives the impression that you have not read/seen any of the testimonies from journalists shown footage of 7/10, read/seen any of the testimonies from hostages and survivors of 7/10 nor read/seen any of the testimonies from pathologists and medics in Israeli hospitals…

I am more than capable of having empathy and sympathy for any innocents caught up in war. War by its very nature is brutal and will always have civilian casualties. Hamas’s actions on 7/10 was not an act of war, it was the most heinous terror attacking imaginable.

Oh and just one more thing Hamas fighters, is also an erroneous description. Hamas are a recognised fundamental terrorist organisation.

foxie48

bmacca IMO there are two sets of bad guys here, Hamas and the Netanyahu Govt. What some seem to find difficult to accept is that it is possible to be highly critical of both but supportive of the Palestinian and the Israeli people.

I agree.

And, just to point out, bmacca, there is a difference between what could be described as sexual assault, which could mean inappropriate touching, and what the Israeli women endured at the hands of the Hamas terrorists.

From the reports I’ve read, sexual assault would cover all instances being reported, as not all were reports of rape.

This is a police definition- The overall definition of sexual or indecent assault is an act of physical, psychological and emotional violation in the form of a sexual act, inflicted on someone without their consent. It can involve forcing or manipulating someone to witness or participate in any sexual acts.
The legal definition of rape is when a person intentionally penetrates another's vagina, anus or mouth with a penis, without the other person's consent.

Does gang raped until the pelvis is broken qualify bmacca?
That’s what happened to countless Israeli women.

bmacca

From the reports I’ve read, sexual assault would cover all instances being reported, as not all were reports of rape.

This is a police definition- The overall definition of sexual or indecent assault is an act of physical, psychological and emotional violation in the form of a sexual act, inflicted on someone without their consent. It can involve forcing or manipulating someone to witness or participate in any sexual acts.
The legal definition of rape is when a person intentionally penetrates another's vagina, anus or mouth with a penis, without the other person's consent.

It was your rape allegations and if regarding Hamas sexually assaulting Israeli women I find insulting to women everywhere.

As for the definition of sexual assault, I can only assume you were trying to wriggle out of your previous erroneous post.

I’m not trying to wriggle out of anything I said. All the reports are “allegations”, that is the definition until a court of law makes a determination.
The point I was making, which you seem to have wilfully missed, is that whatever allegations are made does not mean we should shut up about what is being inflicted on Palestinians

Vintagewhine

Oreo

Here’s a good idea, all those neighbouring countries who hate Israelis but love Palestinians can open their borders immediately and take in and look after the 2 million starting with Egypt opening the border at Rafah.All they do at the moment is wring their hands and say the Palestinians have nowhere to go, well that’s the solution.Then the IDF can get on with flushing out the tunnels and hamas.

A better idea would be for you to put away your wooden spoon and stop stirring.

Why is my opinion stirring? I have my opinions on the matter and no doubt you have yours, we may not agree but neither of us would be stirring.

My idea that neighbouring countries, especially Egypt should open borders and take in Palestinians is a sensible one.It’s not a matter of ‘why should they leave?’ It’s a matter of their safety.
As a short term measure am sure they would be pleased to get out of Gaza while bombing and conflict goes on I know I would be.

bmacca

I’m not trying to wriggle out of anything I said. All the reports are “allegations”, that is the definition until a court of law makes a determination.
The point I was making, which you seem to have wilfully missed, is that whatever allegations are made does not mean we should shut up about what is being inflicted on Palestinians

I have not seen one post implying that anyone should shut up about what is being inflicted on Palestine

Yet again. You come back with allegations that is what I and many others I imagine find abhorrent, especially with so much evidence available.

If you are holding out for the Hamas terrorists to be tried in a court of law, you will be profoundly disappointed as they are either dead or soon will be.