National Trust calendar - no Christian festivals

MaizieD

Who said anything about the 'calendar' (which it actually isn't) being intended to be inclusive, Primrose53?.

Did you read the screenshot of the NT's explanation that AmberSpyglass posted?

The NT say it themselves and they call it a calendar!!! See Page 4.

nt.global.ssl.fastly.net/binaries/content/assets/website/national/pdf/everyone-welcome.pdf

I’m off to bed. 😴

Primrose53

MaizieD

Who said anything about the 'calendar' (which it actually isn't) being intended to be inclusive, Primrose53?.

Did you read the screenshot of the NT's explanation that AmberSpyglass posted?

The NT say it themselves and they call it a calendar!!! See Page 4.

nt.global.ssl.fastly.net/binaries/content/assets/website/national/pdf/everyone-welcome.pdf

I’m off to bed. 😴

Well, that's a few minutes of my life I'll never get back. I read the link and didn't find out anything about "inclusion calendars".

Was this it?
Inclusion and Wellbeing calendar.
^Developed with our networks to help recognise,
highlight and celebrate moments which are significant to a wide range of people and
cultures^.

I saw it Primrose. I'm off to bed too. 😴

Where can I get one?

Virtue signalling ? What good little people they are. Pass the sick bucket ..

I love dog-free NT places - such a relief to escape from the hordes and never worry about stepping in shit or being nudged in the groin by a random canine.

growstuff

Primrose53

MaizieD

Who said anything about the 'calendar' (which it actually isn't) being intended to be inclusive, Primrose53?.

Did you read the screenshot of the NT's explanation that AmberSpyglass posted?

The NT say it themselves and they call it a calendar!!! See Page 4.

nt.global.ssl.fastly.net/binaries/content/assets/website/national/pdf/everyone-welcome.pdf

I’m off to bed. 😴

Well, that's a few minutes of my life I'll never get back. I read the link and didn't find out anything about "inclusion calendars".

Maybe a trip to Specsavers might be the thing for you then growstuff. I even gave you the page number!! 😝

Joseann

Was this it?
Inclusion and Wellbeing calendar.
^Developed with our networks to help recognise,
highlight and celebrate moments which are significant to a wide range of people and
cultures^.

Yes

I don’t know any white people that go to church. The avid church goers I know are all black with the exception of quite a few Indian families - and this is a surprise as I wasn’t aware Christianity was even a thing in India but in the South it apparently is

nanna8

Virtue signalling ? What good little people they are. Pass the sick bucket ..

Whatever your creed, colour, sexual persuasion, religion, you’re welcome.

The only people it doesn’t “include” are those who would like to visit but simply cannot afford it! So you are excluded if your family are on a low income.

I visited a NT property last month and it cost £5 to park. For that we got to visit their shop and wander around the garden. Entry to the house was about £15 extra and half that for kids. Lots of the rooms are closed off. We were disappointed that you still had to pay £5 to park even though we only wanted to stay about an hour and walk in the garden.

JaneJudge

I don’t know any white people that go to church. The avid church goers I know are all black with the exception of quite a few Indian families - and this is a surprise as I wasn’t aware Christianity was even a thing in India but in the South it apparently is

It’s a big thing in India. We get coachloads of Tamils who visit N Norfolk every summer from all over the country to visit the RC Shrine and also have massive beach parties.

We have a beautiful coastal walk near us, not NT. The little car park parcel itself is, however, owned by the NT, and it charges £5 for non members. It makes me laugh, because there is no NT house for miles, and who is going to trek up the hill to check the cars for tickets?

Primrose53

growstuff

Primrose53

MaizieD

Who said anything about the 'calendar' (which it actually isn't) being intended to be inclusive, Primrose53?.

Did you read the screenshot of the NT's explanation that AmberSpyglass posted?

The NT say it themselves and they call it a calendar!!! See Page 4.

nt.global.ssl.fastly.net/binaries/content/assets/website/national/pdf/everyone-welcome.pdf

I’m off to bed. 😴

Well, that's a few minutes of my life I'll never get back. I read the link and didn't find out anything about "inclusion calendars".

Maybe a trip to Specsavers might be the thing for you then growstuff. I even gave you the page number!! 😝

Ah yes! Sorry, I missed it. So where can I get one?

JaneJudge

I don’t know any white people that go to church. The avid church goers I know are all black with the exception of quite a few Indian families - and this is a surprise as I wasn’t aware Christianity was even a thing in India but in the South it apparently is

Yes, my Indian colleague was a staunch Roman Catholic.

I know lots of white people who go to church 🙂
Even some vicars 😁

Primrose53

nanna8

Virtue signalling ? What good little people they are. Pass the sick bucket ..

Whatever your creed, colour, sexual persuasion, religion, you’re welcome.

The only people it doesn’t “include” are those who would like to visit but simply cannot afford it! So you are excluded if your family are on a low income.

I visited a NT property last month and it cost £5 to park. For that we got to visit their shop and wander around the garden. Entry to the house was about £15 extra and half that for kids. Lots of the rooms are closed off. We were disappointed that you still had to pay £5 to park even though we only wanted to stay about an hour and walk in the garden.

The National Trust has always had a bit of a problem with class - just like the owners of the land and properties it now owns, the poor are invisible to them. I have never seen any real information about the workers who built and maintained those huge estates, except perhaps a mention in passing of an eccentric gardener or a favourite housekeeper. It is an organisation built on privilege and much as I enjoy the houses and gardens, I find it uncomfortable to think of the class system that built and sustained them.

If the National Trust is serous about inclusion, how about looking closer to home and offering free or heavily subsidised entry for those on benefits or low incomes. And while they’re at it, bring places to life with stories of the armies of staff employed there in servitude, tell us about their lives, and what they sacrificed to prop up a system that has never gone away.

I have never seen any real information about the workers who built and maintained those huge estates, except perhaps a mention in passing of an eccentric gardener or a favourite housekeeper

We went to one NT property where there were copies of censuses listing all the staff who worked there over the years, which included information about where they were born. Surprisingly, a good proportion were not local.

Another stately home (not sure if it is NT or not) has portraits which were commissioned of some of the staff.

And while they’re at it, bring places to life with stories of the armies of staff employed there in servitude, tell us about their lives, and what they sacrificed to prop up a system that has never gone away.

When the NT included in their information about some of their houses that they had been built on the proceeds of slavery there was an outbreak of anti-woke hysteria. Can you imagine what further information on the hard lives of those who underpinned the idleness and luxury of the house owners would do to some of our citizens?

Yes, but most of us had ancestors who were housemaids, ag labs etc, even if they did climb the ladder to be in charge!

Callistemon that’s exactly what I mean though - a census list is good but I want to know more about who they were and what their daily lives entailed. I’m not convinced this would bring an outcry or anti-woke hysteria’, I think many people would find it fascinating, especially after the success of Downton Abbey where the servants were portrayed as real people (albeit in a very romanticised way).

growstuff says

Ah yes! Sorry, I missed it. So where can I get one? (i.e the Inclusion and Wellness calendar, as referred to in the text of the NT document)

I don't think you can, growstuff unless you're an NT volunteer. I have looked in vain for it in the online shop...

Thankfully there's no age limit to be a volunteer, so GNs can all apply!

I like nightowl suggestion of NT offering free or heavily subsidised entry for those on benefits or low incomes. That would be a very sensible example of inclusion, as I mentioned in my earlier post.

I don’t think it will ever happen though because they prefer to use resources on rainbow lanyards and training courses for volunteers to learn about queer folk.

Before anybody starts jumping up and down “queer” is now an acceptable term. LGBTQ+

nightowl

Callistemon that’s exactly what I mean though - a census list is good but I want to know more about who they were and what their daily lives entailed. I’m not convinced this would bring an outcry or anti-woke hysteria’, I think many people would find it fascinating, especially after the success of Downton Abbey where the servants were portrayed as real people (albeit in a very romanticised way).

Erddig, Wrexham
With over 250 years of ‘upstairs, downstairs’ history, discover how the Yorke family had a close relationship with their servants and commissioned portraits of them, which you can still see today. You can also tour the kitchen, still room and bakehouse.

Other NT properties which feature 'Downstairs' :

www.nationaltrust.org.uk/visit/houses-buildings/life-below-stairs