What will save the Tory party?

We need electoral reform. Proportional Representation.

The Labour party could split into left, far left, very far left and centre left parties.

The Tory Party could split into their "five families"

There could be a new far far right party to out flank UKIP (or whatever they ca;ll themselves now)

The Liberal Democrats and the Greens would get votes from all of those who supported them but had reluctantly voted either Laboiur or Tory -(whichever they considered the lesser of two evils) because they did not want to "waste their vote"

There would be no safe seats.

Everyone would have the same power to affect the result.

We would almost certainly end up with a coalition government, but it would one be backed by a majority, not a minority , of those who voted.

Would that not be far more democratic?

varian

We need electoral reform. Proportional Representation.

The Labour party could split into left, far left, very far left and centre left parties.

The Tory Party could split into their "five families"

There could be a new far far right party to out flank UKIP (or whatever they ca;ll themselves now)

The Liberal Democrats and the Greens would get votes from all of those who supported them but had reluctantly voted either Laboiur or Tory -(whichever they considered the lesser of two evils) because they did not want to "waste their vote"

There would be no safe seats.

Everyone would have the same power to affect the result.

We would almost certainly end up with a coalition government, but it would one be backed by a majority, not a minority , of those who voted.

Would that not be far more democratic?

Completely agree Varian especially with regard to Lib Dems and Green Party

Democratic just like Israel, more likely an unholy alliance, PR is not a panacea, if there is no majority the extremists exact their price.

kittylester

Wheniwasyourage

What will save the Tory party?
Nothing, I hope.

Surely, we need a strong opposition regardless of whoever wins the next election?

Why this obsession in the UK with 'opposition'- see saw politics, one extreme to another. So destructive always. Why not a Government with more cooperation and consensus? I would love to see a coalition of Labour, Lib Dems and Greens.

As for the Tories, they are doomed and will not be in any position to 'oppose' effectively at all. And they have to get rid of the massively extreme faction that is the ERG, which has led the country in a disastrous Brexit, and the destruction of the 'One Nation' Conservative Party. We have many friends and relatives who have always been Conservatives- but no longer. Disgusted by the antics of the last decade. All intend to abstain of vote Lib Dem. NONE, thank goodness, intend to vote the Extreme, inhumane and ridiculous Right.

Or democratic like

Andorra, Austria, Belgium, Benin, Chile, Costa Rica, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, and dozens more countries with effective governments.

I don’t know why so many people think the UK could only ever do things badly.

GrannyGravy13

Grantanow

The Tories need at least 10 years in the wilderness to rethink and I think the electorate will give it to them.

Depends on how well Labour do when they are in Government.

If no noticeable improvements or beneficial changes are made, the Conservatives could be elected after one term of Labour.

We all know it will be very hard for Labour, or anyone else, or a coalition. Because the Tories have destroyed the economy, put the country in massive debts which are massively expensive to repay due to high interests and very low Sterling values. But we will also know why, and who is 100% guilty of sucking the country dry and filling their own pockets. A la Mone and co.

The Reform Party are the only party that can save us from global control. They are not at all xenophobic and have some good policies, we need common sense back and to get rid of all the woke rubbish and net zero burdening everyone. We need a party like Reform who will put British citezens first. One size does not fit all. Our history is being eroded and our way of life. Ben Habib of The Reform Party talks a lot of sense. Our democracy is hanging by a thread. We need to urgently leave the WHO and ECHR and keep our Sovereinty. We are sleep walking into global control. I really fear for our Grandchildren's future in this country the way it is going! I shall certainly be voting for the Reform Party. That is my view.

I'm late to the party but please put me down for the Caribbean island. I'll bring the rum.

What Democracy? The very last thing the UK needs is the dreadful, extreme right wing (yes, xenophobic) Reform Party, and the likes of Tice and Farage, and co .

And the last thing the UK need in my view is a mixed ragbag of Labour Lib Dems Greens SNP running the country.
Hoping for a big majority for Labour, then they can govern on their own.

Oreo

And the last thing the UK need in my view is a mixed ragbag of Labour Lib Dems Greens SNP running the country.
Hoping for a big majority for Labour, then they can govern on their own.

I hope for a Labour majority too and hope for a much fairer deal for the less fortunate, but it doesn’t change the problems we have. Maybe this time next year we can begin to be optimistic.

I reckon that if Labour do win the election, there will be a massive spike in optimism, then a huge and horrible dawning reality at what the Tories have actually done to our country and the enormous hill we have to climb just to get us back to normality.

Whitewavemark2

I reckon that if Labour do win the election, there will be a massive spike in optimism, then a huge and horrible dawning reality at what the Tories have actually done to our country and the enormous hill we have to climb just to get us back to normality.

It will be much easier if the future is seen to be fair even though sacrifices are made, increasing taxation on the wealthy and increased minimum wage, will make a great many more optimistic for the future

I see from the DT that yet another Tory MP is under investigation.

Oreo

And the last thing the UK need in my view is a mixed ragbag of Labour Lib Dems Greens SNP running the country.
Hoping for a big majority for Labour, then they can govern on their own.

Well, I think it is time to put see-saw politics and finally think more cooperatively and joined up, thinking and working. Instead of a strong opposition, Greens and Lib Dems could hold back the extreme factions of the LP. Most democratic countries have to work cooperatively with other parties. Swinging extreme to extreme see-saw is NOT the way anymore.

Whitewave, totally agree. Many will expect Labour to provide miracles and they just will not be able to do what they want and know is right- because the Tories have bankrupted the country, in a way not even Corbyn could have done. What did Cameron say at the time- Vote for me or....?!!

Yes Fleurpepper..government working co-operatively together for the good of all people..what a wonderful thought..

Varian

I couldn’t agree more.

To all those stating Labour “should declare their policies” they have an outline “pre-manifesto” as do most of the other opposition parties, not one of them will “declare their policies” until such time as our GE date is announced, this is pretty normal! As for those who keep on saying why have Labour done anything? What pray should they actually do? They are not in power, any opposition’s role is to hold the current govt and its cabinet to account, I think it’s fair to say Starmer and his crew have done this to date.

Let’s wait and see what all the manifesto’s outline before we jump on them.

Btw, I’d be VERY supportive with a well thought out and progressive coalition of Lab/LibDem/Green, no reason at all to think it wouldn’t work.

The days of our two party system has had its day and we need radical positive change.

Do be aware too many “Green” policies cost a lot to implement, which is fine if “ someone else” is paying, the coalitions we have had in the UK have not been marriages made in heaven.

well, they would not cost the Earth!

Katie59 There is no choice - it's do or die.

Fleurpepper

well, they would not cost the Earth!

but they might save it...

Nice to hear that you both would happily accept less for more green policies.

Oh yes, we owe it to our grandchildren. Can't you see that???

And if we invest in insulation and more modern, innovative technology, there is no need to do with 'less', but more clever and better.

Bella23

I agree Kittylester, whoever is in power after the next election still needs a strong opposition.
If Labour wins will the Tories provide a strong opposition join forces and forget all their in fighting?
If Labour are in power will they finally give some ideas of what their plans for the country are? Instead of waiting to see what the Tories say then say they do not agree but never clearly say what their plans would be.

If Labour are in power will they finally give some ideas of what their plans for the country are? Bella23

There is plenty of information about how Labour is thinking. Full policies for an first term will be will be in the Manifesto. Any the Tories can manage to agree on will be in theirs. Both will be issued just before an election, as is the case in every election.

www.youtube.com/results?search_query=labour+social+-+labour+vision