Is escalating the conflict by bombing the Houthis the way to go?

Israel is not an apartheid state except in your own mind.
Your blatant antisemitism is clear.
I’m not engaging with you any further but you won’t chase me off the thread. I will contribute if I feel it’s appropriate.

The polarisation of beliefs and views is present the world over currently Gloryanny. the article you linked reflects that. Your original post suggested it had always been so. That’s untrue

maddyone

Israel is not an apartheid state except in your own mind.
Your blatant antisemitism is clear.
I’m not engaging with you any further but you won’t chase me off the thread. I will contribute if I feel it’s appropriate.

Israel was judged an apartheid state by Amnesty International, after extensive research it's nothing to do with my opinion
War on Want have said it is an Apartheid State
waronwant.org/news-analysis/israeli-apartheid-factsheet?gclid=CjwKCAiA_OetBhAtEiwAPTeQZ6SK7HW3d_zAHHjcRRf5Cx3eMXP114FDUoxINiQ0t74r-zRtU4eNlhoCFF0QAvD_BwE

Israel is not an apartheid state

Anniebach

Israel is not an apartheid state

You may think that but Amnesty International and War on Want think it is.
As do many Israelis
Former Attorney General of Israel Michael Ben-Yair said, "It is with great sadness that I must also conclude that my country has sunk to such political and moral depths that it is now an apartheid regime. It is time for the international community to recognise this reality as well."

As of 12 February 2023, 12 Israeli human rights groups had voiced their support for the Amnesty report and condemned the European Commission's negative reaction to it. These groups were Adalah, B'Tselem, Breaking the Silence, Combatants for Peace, Gisha, HaMoked, Haqel: In Defense of Human Rights, Human Rights Defenders Fund, Ofek: The Israeli Center for Public Affairs, Physicians for Human Rights–Israel and Yesh Din

A March 2023 position paper by the Israeli Law Professors' Forum for Democracy, a group of 120 Israeli law professors, stated that recent changes introduced by the Netanyahu government "validate the claim that Israel practices apartheid". Specifically, the group criticized the 23 February power-sharing agreement signed between the Likud parliamentary faction and the Religious Zionism faction granting the far-right leader of Religious Zionism, Bezalel Smotrich, special authority over the occupied West Bank

Thinking something is true doesn’t make it true

Getting back to the OP, if the Suez Canal were to close along with ships avoiding the Red Sea in order to reduce the number of marine targets for The Houthis and/or other terrorist organisations in the area, I think they will just find other targets.

If these targets are on land there will be far more human casualties and in all probability an escalation of hostilities.

Glorianny
That was dated Feb 2023 I wonder wht those same people are thinking now after the events of last October.
But even if they are thinking the same it proves nothing, you can find left wingers and pacifists in any country, I expect Jeremy Corbyn and his allies would think the same.
Israel is not an apartheid country and wishing it could be called that, doesn’t, as Anniebach points out, make it true.

GrannyGravy13

Getting back to the OP, if the Suez Canal were to close along with ships avoiding the Red Sea in order to reduce the number of marine targets for The Houthis and/or other terrorist organisations in the area, I think they will just find other targets.

If these targets are on land there will be far more human casualties and in all probability an escalation of hostilities.

Good point.In any case they can’t be allowed to get away with it.

maddyone

Israel is not an apartheid state except in your own mind.
Your blatant antisemitism is clear.
I’m not engaging with you any further but you won’t chase me off the thread. I will contribute if I feel it’s appropriate.

Good for you😃
Nobody must allow bludgeoning by posts to chase them away.

Oreo totally agree no terrorist organisation *or so called *lone wolf should ever be allowed to get away with murder, hostage taking, property destruction and the appalling atrocities committed on 7/10 or any future date.

They should be allowed GrannyGravy if it’s against Jews

Anniebach

They should be allowed GrannyGravy if it’s against Jews

I feel desperately sorry for the Jewish community wherever they are in the world.

I ask myself what have my very dear Jewish friends and their families done to be living with escalating antisemitism every day.

A race of people persecuted for 1,000’s of years…

Oreo

Glorianny
That was dated Feb 2023 I wonder wht those same people are thinking now after the events of last October.
But even if they are thinking the same it proves nothing, you can find left wingers and pacifists in any country, I expect Jeremy Corbyn and his allies would think the same.
Israel is not an apartheid country and wishing it could be called that, doesn’t, as Anniebach points out, make it true.

How does one group of people murdering another group change discrimination?
Are you saying that because of the 7/10 those people should revise their ideas about freedom, democracy and apartheid. Isn't that exactly what totalitarian regimes do?
Tell you your ideas about freedom are why people are being killed and tortured?

GrannyGravy13

Anniebach

They should be allowed GrannyGravy if it’s against Jews

I feel desperately sorry for the Jewish community wherever they are in the world.

I ask myself what have my very dear Jewish friends and their families done to be living with escalating antisemitism every day.

A race of people persecuted for 1,000’s of years…

I'm sorry for all people living under discrimination and oppression.
I'm also sorry for all the Jewish people I know who stand up for human rights and democracy but are constantly designated by some as agreeing and supporting a right wing government and an apartheid state, simply because of the faith they were born into or have chosen.

It would sure revise their ideas if their own family members had been raped, murdered and burned or taken hostage.
Look, they have their ideas about how their part of the world should be, idealists and pacifists and so on, but then they come up to the reality of it, surrounded by people who hate Jews and whose whole object is to obliterate the State of Israel.
Even if a two state solution was in place these terrorists would still exist and make frequent attacks against Israel, they aren’t going to vanish because they have a decent job and way of life.
Think of all the terror attacks by Muslim extremists here and in other countries, they had good jobs, doctors amongst them, but they still went ahead as it’s their mindset.

Lily Ebert aged 100 years, victim of the holocaust, being asked
if it could happen again, - ‘it is, open your eyes’

Anniebach

Lily Ebert aged 100 years, victim of the holocaust, being asked
if it could happen again, - ‘it is, open your eyes’

I have read her book, it is a hard read, but a necessary read.

When she said’it is happening again ‘ she is referring to the increase in Anti Semitism, the Holocaust didn’t suddenly happen

Indeed the Holocaust didn’t suddenly happen. It came after hundreds of years of antisemitism in Europe, whereby the Jews were constantly subjected to discrimination and pogroms. By the early 1900s many Jewish people had managed to become educated (despite the quotas and discrimination applied by the universities) and go on to work in professional fields, whilst others became successful businessmen. This was resented hugely by many people, despite the fact that in Eastern Europe many Jews remained very poor, and this resentment was used by the Nazis to justify the state initiated discrimination, starting in Germany in the early 1930s and continuing through until the end of WW2.
It isn’t hard to understand why the Jewish people wanted to return to their homeland, where some Jews had remained, despite every effort of surrounding tribes and invaders, for four thousand years. They fought to stay there with the already resident Jews, and some Arabs and Christians, and the state of Israel was born.

We in Wales have the word ‘hiraeth’ it means a longing for and love of, having roots,Jews must have longed for roots

Oreo

It would sure revise their ideas if their own family members had been raped, murdered and burned or taken hostage.
Look, they have their ideas about how their part of the world should be, idealists and pacifists and so on, but then they come up to the reality of it, surrounded by people who hate Jews and whose whole object is to obliterate the State of Israel.
Even if a two state solution was in place these terrorists would still exist and make frequent attacks against Israel, they aren’t going to vanish because they have a decent job and way of life.
Think of all the terror attacks by Muslim extremists here and in other countries, they had good jobs, doctors amongst them, but they still went ahead as it’s their mindset.

But ordinary Palestinians do not want to obliterate Jews. They simply want to live somewhere where they have equal rights. If we have reached the stage where equal rights is regarded as just "idealist" we are truly Fucked
Show me one country where establishing equal rights and prosperity hasn't resulted in terrorism and attacks being reduced and practically eliminated. Yes they still happen but as someone pointed out earlier about Israel, there will always be extremists who will commit individual acts. Such people are not limited to the Muslim population.

From The River To The Sea

Problem is, that's Netanyahu's wish as well.

Really? During the marches in London Jews were carrying banners proclaiming’From The River To The Sea ?