Is escalating the conflict by bombing the Houthis the way to go?

Glorianny
If we are looking at women, the Iranians actually have a better record on advancing them than the country which the west supports-Saudi Arabia.
There is in Iran the growth of a movement called Islamic feminism. No such movement is found in Saudi

Really? I mean really? You really are talking nonsense again.

Try telling that to the beautiful young lady that was lashed 74 times on her back very recently for not wearing the hijab. Her back was a bloody mess.

The Iranian government and their mullahs are sadistic, backward monsters. They are behind much of the trouble in the world.

I am also a pacifist. I often wonder what the world would be like if all lived kindly on it and thought of others rather than this power hungry, money loaded world we actually inhabit. All these rich powerful people do not care about us and there are more of us. Why are we all so powerless as to what our fate is as the little people? There is so much unnecessary suffering everywhere

Money = Power JaneJudge.

How weird that this just came up on phone

If a monkey hoarded more bananas than it could eat, whilst most of the other monkeys starved, scientists would study that monkey to see what the hell was wrong with it. When humans do it, we put them on the cover of Forbes

I think we are doomed.

tickingbird

Glorianny
If we are looking at women, the Iranians actually have a better record on advancing them than the country which the west supports-Saudi Arabia.
There is in Iran the growth of a movement called Islamic feminism. No such movement is found in Saudi

Really? I mean really? You really are talking nonsense again.

Try telling that to the beautiful young lady that was lashed 74 times on her back very recently for not wearing the hijab. Her back was a bloody mess.

The Iranian government and their mullahs are sadistic, backward monsters. They are behind much of the trouble in the world.

I didn't say either was perfect I did say it is nonsense to claim Iran punishes women while supporting a country which is equally restrictive like Saudi Arabia\

Interestingly (which you don't appear to know) one of the most active countries in fighting ISIS (remember them ) was Iran. Who funded ISIS? Saudi Arabia.
If only the baddies and goodies were as obvious or clear cut as you seem to think.

I don’t see it as a choice between hawks & doves, it’s more complicated than that.

Terrorist organisations and/or hard line regimes do not willingly commit to peace negotiations.

Is the free world to stand by and let these groups attack innocent civilians and ships?

Are those advocating to do nothing willing to take the risk of attacks local to you and your loved ones?

Are you willing or indeed able to pay extra for goods which will be and in some cases already not using the Red Sea route?

I am against war for war sakes, but understand that sometimes it is the only option.

we are allowed to feel sad

JaneJudge

we are allowed to feel sad

Oh yes, I feel extremely sad for all losses of innocent lives.

The targets were military bases.

Commercial shipping travelling peacefully through an important trade route should never have been targeted.
By attacking commercial shipping the Houthis broke international maritime law.

Other countries supported the action.

Consequences were promised . . . and delivered. Last month, the United States formed a coalition of more than twenty nations called Operation Prosperity Guardian to respond to Houthi attacks on ships in the Red Sea. Last week, the United States, along with allies and partners, issued a stark warning to the Houthis to stop their aggression or face repercussions. Then, following another attack on shipping lanes on Tuesday, US and UK forces launched air and missile strikes on Thursday against dozens of Houthi targets in Yemen.

Whitewavemark2 what would you do if diplomacy didn't work.? The terrorists kept firing at ships in international waters, and refused to talk no matter what inducements we offered.?

Glorianny

"If we are looking at women, the Iranians actually have a better record on advancing them than the country which the west supports-Saudi Arabia.
There is in Iran the growth of a movement called Islamic feminism.

Iran only recently stoned to death a poor young woman for not covering her hair sufficiently.
To death by stoning.
No-one can defend such a barbaric act and excuse a country as you are doing.

Comparisons are not wanted.

M0nica

Whitewavemark2 what would you do if diplomacy didn't work.? The terrorists kept firing at ships in international waters, and refused to talk no matter what inducements we offered.?

What will we do if bombing only incentivises further attacks on shipping. Is it likely to stop them? Will we starve in this country if shipping disrupted?

Farzanah there’s a much longer shipping route which will make goods more expensive in the West. So inflation up, mortgages more expensive etc. Part of a plan to destabilise?

Ever since October, the world has held its breath frightened of escalation, and no one voiced this fear louder than Biden.

If I believed that a couple of bombs lobbed at the Houthis solved the problem then I might agree it was worth the violence, but it won’t and it isn’t.

Glorianny
Interestingly (which you don't appear to know) one of the most active countries in fighting ISIS (remember them ) was Iran.^Who funded ISIS? Saudi Arabia.

Of course I know and why do you think Saudi funded Isis and Iran fought them? Sunni against Shia.

Iran weren’t opposed to Isis out of any decency or morality as they don’t possess such qualities. Just Muslim factions attempting to destroy the other. Medieval barbarity.

So the Lib-Dems, along with sundry other fools and lunatics, want any and all military action(s) undertaken as a matter of urgency by our armed forces to be debated in parliament beforehand, thereby transmitting the details of said actions to the enemy in advance. Fine, lets lose any and every future conflict, and get all our brave servicemen and women killed. You have to wonder what world these idiots live in!.

Whitewavemark2

Ever since October, the world has held its breath frightened of escalation, and no one voiced this fear louder than Biden.

If I believed that a couple of bombs lobbed at the Houthis solved the problem then I might agree it was worth the violence, but it won’t and it isn’t.

So you are happy for Houthi Pirates to bomb and take commercial ships with impunity?

Whitewavemark2

Ever since October, the world has held its breath frightened of escalation, and no one voiced this fear louder than Biden.

If I believed that a couple of bombs lobbed at the Houthis solved the problem then I might agree it was worth the violence, but it won’t and it isn’t.

So you think Maritime law can be broken, commercial shipping going peacefully about its business bombed without impunity?

Who is escalating this?

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

Ever since October, the world has held its breath frightened of escalation, and no one voiced this fear louder than Biden.

If I believed that a couple of bombs lobbed at the Houthis solved the problem then I might agree it was worth the violence, but it won’t and it isn’t.

So you are happy for Houthi Pirates to bomb and take commercial ships with impunity?

Why on Earth would you ask such a ridiculous question!

Whitewavemark2 I asked the question because you are anti the U.K./USA targeted bombing of Houthi bases.

You cannot condemn the attacks without coming up with an alternative. Negotiations at this time are not a credible option/alternative.

I wonder why when Yemen has been bombed by Saudi Arabia constantly for years a couple of USA attacks would achieve anything.
As for all the remarks about how bad the Houthis are. I don't suppose the people of Yemen feel the same. I would imagine the people they really hate are the Saudis who have killed over 400,000 of them in bombing raids and the US who now seem to be doing the same.

If the raiding of sea traffic made the US rethink its support of Saudi Arabia and Israel, so bringing an end to the horrendous killing in Gaza and Yemen, I think paying a little extra for goods would be well worth it.

Sorry can I clarify you think it's ok to bomb shipping routes if it results in a change of policy with which you happen to agree with. If their aim was counter to your beliefs the bombing of shipping routes would be wrong presumably?

Houthi insurgents call for “death to America, death to Israel, damn the Jews, victory to Islam.”

They definitely hate USA

Broader than that. Hate the West.

Louella12

*Houthi insurgents call for “death to America, death to Israel, damn the Jews, victory to Islam.”*

They definitely hate USA

Islamic extremists have hated the US for many years, nothing new there, backed by Iran, they all see the west as weak because we value life, whereas they see the loss an entry into paradise and justified to expand their religion.

While the extreme government in Iran provides weapons to be used against the west the attacks will continue, Irans weapons are arming Russia in Ukraine, underestimating them will be a big mistake.