Is escalating the conflict by bombing the Houthis the way to go?

I said ‘very few’ Maybe70 that means very few adults, tho some now could be turning against hamas as well as hating Israel.
From the massed crowds in Yemen, another Israel hating country I expect it’s much the same.

Oreo

I said ‘very few’ Maybe70 that means very few adults, tho some now could be turning against hamas as well as hating Israel.
From the massed crowds in Yemen, another Israel hating country I expect it’s much the same.

Israel is so innocent according to some. They have already slaughtered thousands of Palestinians and have been sniping at them for years and taking their land.

They are surrounded by enemies AGA and look what the governing body in Gaza just did to over a thousand people in Israel on 7/10 murdering raping and mutilating, burning alive.
They will now do what they have to in decimating hamas to prevent anything like that happening again.

What does need to happen is for more food aid and medical aid to get into Gaza and that’s not all the fault of the Israeli government, there are delays on the Egyptian side too.

I'm not condoning what Hamas have done nor am I condoning the mass killing of Palestinians.
Unfortunately oppression breeds freedom fighters/terrorists and the result is carnage.

I know AGAA4 it’s a terrible situation all round, but hamas have set in motion something unstoppable by what they did.
Even if it breeds more terrorists, these present ones have to be dealt with, likewise the houthis.

Goranny Once again this avoids the question, which is the more general one. If you think, in any conflict the only way out is diplomacy not fighting, which is what many are saying on this thread, what do you do if one side refuses to take part in any negotiations and wants to keep fighting

For example, in the case you quote if either the Israelis refuse to stop bombing or they do and Hamas continue to attack Israel. I am trying to be even handed and neutral and say, to quote Romeo and Juliet ' a curse on both your houses'

I feel that mankind hasn't come much further than the Stone Age when fighting and killing seems to be the only way to resolve issues. When will we ever learn that killing only causes more killing and heartache for those left behind.

M0nica

Goranny Once again this avoids the question, which is the more general one. If you think, in any conflict the only way out is diplomacy not fighting, which is what many are saying on this thread, what do you do if one side refuses to take part in any negotiations and wants to keep fighting

For example, in the case you quote if either the Israelis refuse to stop bombing or they do and Hamas continue to attack Israel. I am trying to be even handed and neutral and say, to quote Romeo and Juliet ' a curse on both your houses'

Firstly there are not two sides involved here. There is one country massively oppressing another and blaming the whole population for the actions of a few people.

But yes what do you do when one side refuses to budge,uses force to take territory, removes people from their homes and then makes them second class citizens? Apparently nothing, because that side is backed by one of the world's super powers and supplied liberally with arms. You just let them slaughter people I suppose.

Hamas is not the people of Gaza. It will continue even after they are slaughtered. Israel knows that.

Is escalating the conflict by bombing the Houthis the way to go?

Is launching attacks on worldwide merchant shipping in international waters the way to go?

If you look at what happened to Jews post WW2, you might have a bit more understanding.

They were forced out of countries where they'd lived peacefully for generations .

It's not easy being Jewish

Louella12

If you look at what happened to Jews post WW2, you might have a bit more understanding.

They were forced out of countries where they'd lived peacefully for generations .

It's not easy being Jewish

Does being forced out of countries where you have lived peacefully give you the right force others out of theirs?

Louella12 WW2 wasn’t too great either. 6 million Jews died?

It seems to me that this war will end when USA decides that the trade offs, political risks, and the human costs become too great, and then they will intervene.
This is what has happened in the past, and therefore is the best predictor of future events.
I just hope this happens soon, because when I see the faces of the injured children I imagine this could be my grandchildren in another life.

Gloranny. Get off the particular, I said I wasn''t talking about that and get to the general principle. How do you get a diplomatic result from ANY conflict if one side will not negotiate. I have been asking *whitewavemark2 the same question. How can any conflict be solved by diplomacy if one party will not take part?

It’s painfully obvious MOnica. I don’t understand why some are unable to accept the obvious, but keep bleating about diplomacy. Do they not understand that an agreement, whatever it is, requires agreement by all parties? A simple enough concept I would have thought.

I think “the obvious” is that in the end the USA holds the power, and when they think it’s time for Israel to cease they will withdraw support.

Farzanah there are 6.3 million Jewish people living in the USA - the second largest Jewish community after Israel.
How likely is it that the USA will be able to drop Israel when it wants?

GSM There are none so blind as those who will not see.

And are frit because they do not have a solution, hence all the irrelevant answers.

Have you looked at the resolution of previous wars involving Israel I wonder?

ronib

Louella12 WW2 wasn’t too great either. 6 million Jews died?

Exactly.

Louella12

ronib

Louella12 WW2 wasn’t too great either. 6 million Jews died?

Exactly.

Were murdered.

Callistemon21

Louella12

ronib

Louella12 WW2 wasn’t too great either. 6 million Jews died?

Exactly.

Were murdered.

I wonder why this is relevant in this instance? The Palestinians did not murder the Jews, Germans did. Muslims contributed a significant amount to the allied victory in WW2. Over 5 million fought on the allied side and over 1.5 million Muslims were killed. Palestinians fought with the allies in Egypt and Mesopotamia
Churchill said
“We must not on any account break with the Moslems, who represent a hundred million people, and the main army elements on which we must rely for the immediate fighting”
Who knows without their help the war might have been much longer

Not just Jews, murdered, also gay people, the disabled, political opponents Roma, over 1 million non-Jewish Poles and over 3 million Soviet prisoners of war.

It is estimate that the Nazis murdered around 12 million people in all.

Glorianny with the backdrop of WW2, there must be a sense of heightened awareness that never again will the Jewish people be treated in this way. The history of the Jewish people must give a real impetus to fight their sworn enemies and make no mistake, Hamas has declared their intentions in the most pronounced way.