Trump crushes his Republican rivals in the Iowa caucus!

What forces are they, Urmstongram?

Take your pick Siope - Iran, N Korea, Russia, ‘lone wolves’ (think Manchester Arena 2017), mass immigration via routes that are unlawful and then we ‘lose’ so many of them. Not everyone who comes to our shores wishes us in the West ‘well’. Trump nudged the European countries to up their subscriptions to NATO. It needed saying.

But Trump doesn’t want America to be the great protector of the western world does he?He just wants America to look after it’s own interests.

Being strong = giving rogue nations pause for thought.

Urmstongran

Much of the media, the metropolitan bubble, a large portion of our politicians, institutions etc etc. regard Trump as some demon who’s only interest is himself and his mantra Make America Great Again. Well it's about time the West woke up and realised that without a great and powerful America we are all ‘up the creek without a paddle’. Just who do we think is going to protect our freedom, our way of life, our democracy from the gathering forces moving to destroy us from within and without. We certainly don't currently have the means or the will to defend ourselves. Trump may well not be to everyone's taste but the sneering of those that oppose him is not doing the free world any good.

I don’t know where you get the idea that Trump is here to save the world : laughable ! I am not even sure where you get your basis for this comment : Fox News ? Daily Mail ? He is a huckster of populist ideals of the sort Hitler spewed . He is just barely literate , never reads and spent most of his presidency watching Fox News . That’s a very sad fact ! Most of his former cabinet think of him as a danger to democracy . So please do some reading about him from his former advisors . This is a man who supported an insurrection on Jan 6 in huschen country ! I think it is you Urmstogran who needs to inform yourself better before you come here espousing such absurd ideas !

But Trump is in Putin's pocket...

Re NATO contributions: it is true that they increased during Trump’s tenure, but that is because it had been agreed in, I believe, 2014 (so pre/Trunp) that this would happen.

Can you provide empirical evidence for your other claims, please? Brcsuse it just reads like right-wing media fearmongering to me, but I’m happy to be proved wrong by evidence that is verified by responsible and independent bodies.

Re Putin: you’re right that he would dearly like to destabilise Europe and North America. That’s why Russia worked so hard to get Trump elected last time, and why it will do so again. Trump is an isolationist, who will, as a starting point, throw Ukraine to the wolves without a second thought, thus gifting Putin control over even more of Europe’s food and fuel markets.

You ask me for ‘empirical evidence’ Siope and then make your assumptions without proving any yourself.
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What assumptions? The agreed increase in NATO contributions is a matter of record. I got the year massively wrong. It was 2006.

www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_67655.htm

My sources for Trump’s Ukraine position include Czech president, and former head of NATO’s military committee, Petr Pavel, and NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg, and one Donald Trump.

Anything else?

Urmstongran

I am.

Why?

Urmstongran

Much of the media, the metropolitan bubble, a large portion of our politicians, institutions etc etc. regard Trump as some demon who’s only interest is himself and his mantra Make America Great Again. Well it's about time the West woke up and realised that without a great and powerful America we are all ‘up the creek without a paddle’. Just who do we think is going to protect our freedom, our way of life, our democracy from the gathering forces moving to destroy us from within and without. We certainly don't currently have the means or the will to defend ourselves. Trump may well not be to everyone's taste but the sneering of those that oppose him is not doing the free world any good.

Do you really think that if the rest world gets into dire straits Trump's USA will help us. I doubt it somehow. Trump's Great America won't be so great if the rest of us are involved in wars.

The leading cause of death for children is guns in the US. How ridiculous to talk about keeping the world safe when kindergarteners can’t be sure of being safe in their classroom.
www.forbes.com/sites/darreonnadavis/2023/10/05/firearms-now-no-1-cause-of-death-for-us-children---while-drug-poisoning-enters-top-5/

MayBee70

I keep thinking of an imaginary Mrs Merton interview in which she asks someone ‘ so why would you vote for a misogynistic, racist, tax evading, riot inciting candidate such as Donald Trump’. The very people that he targets votes for him . Someone once told me that people in America depend on the church because they provide the help and social care that the state doesn’t.So I wondered if they supported him because they lose power when there is a more socially aware president? Because I can’t work out a reason why the church should encourage people to vote for him. It’s totally beyond my comprehension.

His anti abortion policies.

I think its impossible for us as a culture to understand Americas issue with guns. It is beyond my understanding. That has not stopped me being beyond grateful for Americas role in the world in the last few months.

MayBee70

I see that Farage was with Trump. What with the threat of Trump winning the election and Richard Tice now being on UK tv as much as Farage (which means I have to turn the tv off) used to be I’ve decided that I’m going to ignore politics for a while and, to preserve what little sanity I have left, am absorbing myself in children’s fantasy fiction. I honestly can’t cope with it. I thought we’d seen the back of the orange one.

Are you reading anything good that you’d like to share with the class?

Britain needs someone like Trump, and I'm sure if we had such a person he would be in No 10, no problem. Someone who sees the world as it is, and puts the interests of his country first.

There is a conspiracy to keep Trump out of the White House, but the people have spoken. This is what democracy is all about.

The people did speak, and they didn’t elect Trump.

And all he’s done so far this year is win a caucus in one state, meaning the only people who have spoken are registered republicans in that state.

I think he has a real chance. Don’t underestimate his appeal and realise that whilst he would have zero chance in the UK or most other countries, the US is different.

He is likely to win, we can pretend that's not likely if you want, not sure what that will achieve.

Curtaintwitcher - someone like Trump is the very last thing Britain needs. As for there being a conspiracy to keep Trump out of the White House 😵‍💫🐶😂.
Trump led the insurrection on Capital Hill. Dangerous man

Am I the only one who thinks he actually looks very ill? I know the orange glow will cover a lot but surely he’ll have been passed as medically fit to stand? Not just by his own doctor but someone neutral.

He will have fiddled that though, just as he fiddles everything else.

But I think the answer is no, I don’t think that they have to pass as medically fit - I have my doubts whether they have to pass as mentally fit!

IIRC peoplecwere saying that he looked ill all the way through his last Presidency. 4 years later and he's still with us. I suspect it's just wishful thinking.

The Devil looks after his own, I fear. Look at Rupert Murdoch 😆

And there was speculation that Putin was gravelly ill when he invaded Ukraine. I’m afraid that people like that seem to go on forever.

Germanshepherdsmum

I fail to understand why any woman could support this appalling misogynist.

... here's a woman who wholeheartedly endorses his pussy-grabbing, with an invitation to grab hers...

And there were others.

Words fail me.