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Trump crushes his Republican rivals in the Iowa caucus!

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Urmstongran Tue 16-Jan-24 09:36:36

People obviously remember what the US was like under Trump, before Biden destroyed it.

Siope Wed 17-Jan-24 11:51:24

Galaxy

He is likely to win, we can pretend that's not likely if you want, not sure what that will achieve.

I expect he’ll win the Republican nomination. I think it’s far from guaranteed that he’ll win the presidency.

There are obviously many push and pull factors for both candidates in all US presidential elections - it isn’t always just ‘the economy, stupid’ (Biden should win if it was) or the unpopularity of the incumbent (GWB would have been toast in 2004, when even my staunchly conservative town had declared against him, if that was so). I think the key factors this time will include the climate (young voters pro-Biden, older voters split) and Biden’s approach to the current Israel conflict, which has proved, from polls and community activists I know, fairly divisive.

I am actually torn: I disapprove of Biden’s positioning on that issue, but I’m probably more scared of the damage Trump will do to and in the USA and wider. I could just say ‘a plague on both their houses’ and do nothing (I volunteer for Democrats Abroad). I doubt I will, as I know that overseas votes are influential, but I do think one of the biggest risks for Biden is that people - particularly young and Black voters - don’t turn out to vote.

Sorry, that was a bit of an essay!

Iam64 Wed 17-Jan-24 11:57:18

Thanks siope

MayBee70 Wed 17-Jan-24 12:02:44

Dickens

Germanshepherdsmum

I fail to understand why any woman could support this appalling misogynist.

... here's a woman who wholeheartedly endorses his pussy-grabbing, with an invitation to grab hers...

And there were others.

Words fail me.

And yet she will be anti abortion.

Callistemon21 Wed 17-Jan-24 14:23:51

MayBee70

Dickens

Germanshepherdsmum

I fail to understand why any woman could support this appalling misogynist.

... here's a woman who wholeheartedly endorses his pussy-grabbing, with an invitation to grab hers...

And there were others.

Words fail me.

And yet she will be anti abortion.

Imagine if that was your mother ......
Or your DIL or your grandchild's other Granny 😱

sodapop Wed 17-Jan-24 15:16:10

I think he actually does look unwell. The last pictures I saw of him he looked dishevelled and haggard. It was reported that he was also unsteady on his feet.

Dinahmo Wed 17-Jan-24 17:05:31

Apparently he has to wear nappies - according to the Lincoln Project and smells. The mind boggles.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 17-Jan-24 17:07:05

Nooooo! Everything else about him is bad enough …

Chocolatelovinggran Wed 17-Jan-24 17:40:49

Oh Dinahmo- too much information! I find it very difficult to look at him already, but now...

Ladyleftfieldlover Wed 17-Jan-24 17:43:44

X sometimes have photos of trump wearing trousers that an untrained toddler would be wearing after a difficult day. Don’t forget he’s only three younger than Biden and obviously overweight and unfit.

Ladyleftfieldlover Wed 17-Jan-24 17:45:39

Three years younger…

Boz Wed 17-Jan-24 18:08:43

I saw Trump arriving somewhere and struggling out of a car. I thought it was Biden! God help America.

varian Wed 17-Jan-24 18:17:10

Nikki Haley is a real threat to Donald Trump
The former South Carolina governor is the only official to have served in his administration and emerged with her reputation intact.

www.newstatesman.com/world/americas/north-america/2024/01/nikki-haley-threat-trump-iowa-primary

Dickens Thu 18-Jan-24 10:44:36

MayBee70

Dickens

Germanshepherdsmum

I fail to understand why any woman could support this appalling misogynist.

... here's a woman who wholeheartedly endorses his pussy-grabbing, with an invitation to grab hers...

And there were others.

Words fail me.

And yet she will be anti abortion.

And yet she will be anti abortion.

Of course.

And probably Christian - non denominational, like Trump, which allows them to extricate themselves from a doctrine that doesn't suit their agenda, if necessary... but does allow them to moralise according to that agenda.

I'm sure that female believes she's being wry and witty wearing that t shirt, but I think someone should point out to her that Trump prefers them young and her 'invitation' would have little appeal- except to his ego, of course.

The man is hideous. Barely literate, childish, pathologically narcissistic, and has not one iota of self awareness. He is also spiteful and vindictive, permanently angry - a veritable rage-machine.

Another Trump presidency, however, represents the greatest threat to global stability, because the fate of liberal democracy would be entrusted to a leader who attacks its fundamental principles. Trump's disdain for the rule of law, unwillingness to accept electoral defeat, and affinity for autocrats are anathema to free and open societies. How could NATO operate effectively under a US president who seeks to undermine it?
(Chris Patten)

varian Thu 18-Jan-24 11:12:49

I hope Nikki Haley becomes the challenger.

Santos is trying to move further right than Trump and there is no doubt that his supporters would vote for Trump if Trump is the Republican candidate.

However Nikki Haley, although still right wing by our standards, is actually more moderate than Trump. Surveys of her supporters have found that most of them would NOT vote for Trump should he be the Republican candidate. Whether they would vote Democrat or just abstain, this could be a deciding factor in keeping Trump out of the White House.

Koalama Thu 18-Jan-24 11:19:12

I like trump and loved Borris 'oldbat' I think we all have a right to choose

Mojack26 Thu 18-Jan-24 11:20:47

Agree

Arto1s Thu 18-Jan-24 11:23:19

Thank you Urmstongran A lone voice in the wilderness. Biden has indeed destroyed the USA. I should know. I live there.

Arto1s Thu 18-Jan-24 11:24:00

However, if Nikki Haley wins the nomination I will be happier voting for her.

Nannapat1 Thu 18-Jan-24 11:25:06

I agree with Grantanow. How can so many millions find only Trump and Biden as candidates! But then I remember that many Americans haven't been out of state let alone abroad and their thinking is very blinkered. I recall that when Trump was last elected, a 'redneck' supporter said 'He's just like us.' No, he isn't!
I would add that many Americans do not support either contender and despair of what America has become today.

DaisyAnneReturns Thu 18-Jan-24 11:41:30

Urmstongran

People obviously remember what the US was like under Trump, before Biden destroyed it.

What has Biden done that the average American thinks has "destroyed" their country? It is, after all, not yours.

nanna8 Thu 18-Jan-24 11:49:21

Rednecks originally were striking miners who wore red neckties . I’d be proud to be called one if I lived in the South, they stood for the workers and those standing up for the oppressed . Those calling others rednecks in a derogatory way should take a good hard look at themselves.

Janeea Thu 18-Jan-24 11:51:24

The thought of another 4 years of that slime ball Trump is terrifying

suelld Thu 18-Jan-24 11:51:27

Urmstongran

I am.

WHY.? The election wasn’t stolen …Trump LIES every time he opens his mouth. He’s grifting money from his ‘supporters who probably can’t afford it. He has been found guilty of Rape by a Jury of his peers, and he wants power and money. The only reason he is running is for both ( he took millions for HIMSELF whilst on power ) and to try to get himself out of all the indictments he’s been charged with .. correctly and legally.
Far from “ giving you the shirt off his back “ as a supporter said recently, he would take yours and not look back…he is for TRUMP and Trump only! He is NOT a running for America or you…anything that doesn’t benefit him is a no go!

GreyhairedWarrior Thu 18-Jan-24 11:52:10

Trump’s Iowa victory is not quite as impressive as it looks. Out of 750,000 registered Republicans in Iowa only 100,000 bothered to turn out and caucus at all. Of those over 40% did not vote for Trump. So that’s less than 10% of Republican Iowans.

Siope Thu 18-Jan-24 11:53:38

Arto1s

Thank you Urmstongran A lone voice in the wilderness. Biden has indeed destroyed the USA. I should know. I live there.

Can you explain how, please? What metrics are you using to decide this?

Economically, the USA is doing well, with record job growth and employment, rising real wages, strong GDP growth, and a rapid fall in the inflation rate to below both global and historical averages.

Socially, child poverty is down 50%, and the Inflation Reduction Act has kept prevented health care plans and drugs getting even more expensive.

There’s a massive investment in public infrastructure, and green energy, all of which will pay significant future dividends.

He has gone a long way to restoring and improving foreign relationships, but has managed to successfully reconfigure supply chain agreements substantially in the USA’s favour at the same time, which is no mean feat.