Trump crushes his Republican rivals in the Iowa caucus!

When Trump took office the economy had expanded tremendously. Under Trump the U.S. national debt increased by 39 percent, reaching $27.75 trillion by the end of his term, and the U.S. debt-to-GDP ratio hit a post-World War II high. Trump is the only modern U.S. president to leave office with a smaller workforce than when he took office, by 3 million people. Despite all this, Trump also failed to deliver the $1 trillion infrastructure spending plan on which he had campaigned.

Urmstongran

Wars under Obama-7
Wars under Trump - none...and yet Trump is somehow the warmonger? I don’t think so.

He genuinely puts America first. And he has the measure of Russia, Iran and China.

I think the world is a safer place with him leading it.

Trump continued deployments and bombings in Syria (and ordered the drone strike that killed Iranian general Qassem Soleimani).

Norah

AmberSpyglass

Just your friendly remind that Trump didn’t win the popular vote in 2016, even if he did win the Electoral College vote.

NO.

'Biden ultimately received the majority in the Electoral College with 306 electoral votes, while Trump received 232.'

'Biden Popular Votes 81,282,916. Trump popular votes 74,223,369.'

NO that was the 2020 result Norah not the 2016 !

The trouble with Trump is that he has no respect. He has no respect for the law, no respect of women and no respect for the truth. It is a mystery for me why anyone would vote for him except that, like many others, I expect they have lost all confidence in career politicians who are generally in it for themselves but try not to show it. I also think the message that he will look after his own country first is very attractive if you don't have an understanding of the fragility of the world's politics.
Would I vote for Trump? Not a chance but there again if the alternative was a an old man who is obviously beyond it, what would I do? I'm in the same position in this country. I couldn't vote Conservative again but don't warm to Starmer. The alternatives are not likely to gain power either. I am beginning to thing Democracy is a double edged sword!

Bottom line. Trump has stated that he will be a dictator on his first day. He intends to scrap civil service independence from politics and a right wing group is training 4000 people to move into office to make sure the civil service reflects right wing politics. He wants to get rid of many private universities through tax laws, etc, taking away their endowments. He wants to "Create a new credentialing body that will be the gold standard anywhere in the world to certify teachers who embrace patriotic values support our way of life and understand that their job is not to indoctrinate children". Indoctrination that means. Not much different from under Hitler. I don' think America will survive as a democratic nation. He's polarised the American people more than anyone I can recall.

Summerlove

MayBee70

I keep thinking of an imaginary Mrs Merton interview in which she asks someone ‘ so why would you vote for a misogynistic, racist, tax evading, riot inciting candidate such as Donald Trump’. The very people that he targets votes for him . Someone once told me that people in America depend on the church because they provide the help and social care that the state doesn’t.So I wondered if they supported him because they lose power when there is a more socially aware president? Because I can’t work out a reason why the church should encourage people to vote for him. It’s totally beyond my comprehension.

His anti abortion policies.

Which his views on have changed depending on the way that benefits HIM… he lauds the fact that HE brought about the demise of Roe v Wade, then goes to town on De SANTIS who brought in the 6 week law…
Personally I am not anti-abortion and thank goodness I don’t live in the US…not that it would affect me at 78!

DougWeller

When Trump took office the economy had expanded tremendously. Under Trump the U.S. national debt increased by 39 percent, reaching $27.75 trillion by the end of his term, and the U.S. debt-to-GDP ratio hit a post-World War II high. Trump is the only modern U.S. president to leave office with a smaller workforce than when he took office, by 3 million people. Despite all this, Trump also failed to deliver the $1 trillion infrastructure spending plan on which he had campaigned.

And failed to build the much lauded Wall! Let alone get Mexico to pay for it.
Trump never does what he says he will…unless it benefits HIM.
As for him speaking well …he’s a Snake-Oil salesman, he gathers a crowd …then repeats and repeats the same things over and over. His vocabulary is highly limited… witch hunt; lunatic, debauched, there’s never been a **( insert anything here ) in the history of the US/ world) , I am fighting for you, and on and on,repeat…. It’s not so much charisma as hypnotism! His pouty little mouth spews poison wherever he goes! 🤮

Arto1s

Thank you Urmstongran A lone voice in the wilderness. Biden has indeed destroyed the USA. I should know. I live there.

Living there does not make you an American citizen Artols. 8ve lived in many countries but would not think of telling them what to believe and how to vote.

Many, including me, have American relations who do not hold these opinions. Thankfully Urmstongran et al do not have a vote in their election. Those acting as if they are Trump supporters are the very people who would scream very loudly if they thought Americans were telling us how brilliant or bad our candidates are.

DougWeller

When Trump took office the economy had expanded tremendously. Under Trump the U.S. national debt increased by 39 percent, reaching $27.75 trillion by the end of his term, and the U.S. debt-to-GDP ratio hit a post-World War II high. Trump is the only modern U.S. president to leave office with a smaller workforce than when he took office, by 3 million people. Despite all this, Trump also failed to deliver the $1 trillion infrastructure spending plan on which he had campaigned.

Yep. And more broadly, all the evidence - as opposed to the rhetoric - shows that the economy does better under Democrats than under Republicans.

I suppose that’s a teeny upside: if Trump wins he’ll tank the economy again, and I’ll get more economic stimulus checks [sic]

That’s sarcasm, for those who aren’t sure, because
a) there are no upsides
b) the checks ]sic] won’t cover the damage he’ll do to my US pension
c) even if they did, I couldn’t vote with that level of pure self-interest and damn everyone else

nanna8

Rednecks originally were striking miners who wore red neckties . I’d be proud to be called one if I lived in the South, they stood for the workers and those standing up for the oppressed . Those calling others rednecks in a derogatory way should take a good hard look at themselves.

If they lived in the South there's a fair chance that they, or their ancestors, were members of the KKK. And you must be aware of what that entailed.

I live in the USA too. And I know that the soaring inflation in 2021/2 that was largely a consequence of Trump tax cuts and policies and his friendliness to corporations has been largely brought under control - down from 9.1% to 3.5% - by Biden’s policies. Much of the good economic circumstances of Trump’s administration was largely inherited from good stewardship under Obama (who had to pull us out of the Bush recession of 2008.)

Those of you who have subscriptions to the New York Times can read what 17 of his closest Republican colleagues thought of him. It isn’t pretty. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/18/opinion/trump-cabinet-election-2024.html?te=1&nl=opinion-today&emc=edit_ty_20240118

Me too 😁

GreyhairedWarrior

I live in the USA too. And I know that the soaring inflation in 2021/2 that was largely a consequence of Trump tax cuts and policies and his friendliness to corporations has been largely brought under control - down from 9.1% to 3.5% - by Biden’s policies. Much of the good economic circumstances of Trump’s administration was largely inherited from good stewardship under Obama (who had to pull us out of the Bush recession of 2008.)

The miners were in the early 20th century and some used the term for poor white strikebreakers. But that's a minority use .A citation from 1893 provides a definition as "poorer inhabitants of the rural districts ... men who work in the field, as a matter of course, generally have their skin stained red and burnt by the sun, and especially is this true of the back of their necks". It continued to be used to describe southern poor white farmers.

You can't persuade Trump supporters with reason, any more than we could persuade Johnson supporters with reason.

MaizieD

You can't persuade Trump supporters with reason, any more than we could persuade Johnson supporters with reason.

So true. As with Johnson, Trump has an emotional appeal to people who believe Populism is a kick in the teeth to the Establishment. They know the shortcomings of these people but conveniently push these uncomfortable truths to the back of their minds in the hope that something better will come out of it all for them. It won't; it never does. They are tilting at windmills.

Just to make sure you all know - I AM an American citizen.

I know Maizie, it is their nature; just. As ours is to question.

Arto1s

Just to make sure you all know - I AM an American citizen.

Thanks for the clarification Arto1s.

Arto1s

Just to make sure you all know - I AM an American citizen.

Thats nice.

Now can you please tell us how Biden has ruined the USA, and what measures you are using to assess this?

Several of us have provided our facts and figures for the converse, which of them do you dispute, if any?

Trump 2024! Take America back.

Josie883

Trump 2024! Take America back.

Where to?

Maizie you’re right, but I think maybe persuading the wavering or undecided is worth the effort.

Tbh neither should be running!
Biden hasn't really done anything for the economy or speeded up the migrant situation from Mexico AND Trump is just a joke! He incited a insurrection on the Capitol on the 6th Jan 2021 and is so full of conspiracy theories he's a laughing stock. I cannor still believe that so many Republicans think he's great

I don’t need to justify anything that I say on this forum. I live in the States. I will be voting. Will any of you?